EVE General Discussion

Didn't you just say what St Mio said?

"Instant gratification" = "Having a point"
"Incapable of building sandcastles" = "Needing a virtual reward"

St Mio makes a good point. EVE is a game for players who don't need a virtual carrot, but who can play a game for themselves and for enjoyment. That doesn't mean other games aren't enjoyable; but the type of MMO you describe is designed for players who simply run along the rails of a developer, having their instant gratification hits as they pick up another +1 to some obscure stat or an item in a different colour.

Personally, goals I set myself are far more rewarding than ticking off 10,000 kills of some poor beast to get an Achievement a developer deemed as a good time sink to get more money.

Having to mouse click everything is lame. I started up a 7 day on wow and it's nice to be able to do something while taking out a mob, not with a mouse click.

Biggest reason I've played wow so long is mods/addons. Combat logs, spell cooldowns, information is power. I can't even see what type of damage I'm taking in this interface.

Target, orbit, turn on guns and wait.

PVP sounds more like a job, 2 minutes of pvp and 5 hours of shopping, grinding isk to pay for it, etc. I have a job.

Because eve is not yet reached the point where the amount of content, accessibility, user interface and new player game experience meet the demands of average Joe who wants play game which has stuff also for casual gamer and not only for hardcore sandbox maniacs.

When the multi layered eve online experience is closer to reaching this state after few years of further development, it shall be rewarded. For this we shall obviously need also the WIS environment to happen. It may be one layer which part of the Eve community may never use, but also layer which will open door for some other people.

The best thing in eve online is that things don't need to be just black and white. We sometimes tend to see them like such, but in reality eve already has plenty of stuff what one has never even tried. Many new features should be adapted as such and accepted that even I don't necessarily want something, it might still be good for the game as a whole.

In the past CCP has made some errors when trying to force certain play styles or areas to everyone and ignored the actual content in the process. Even they recovered from that and learned from their obvious mistakes, I'm still slightly worried that they are too afraid to go on with WiS again. True station games with actual content should be real game changer subscription wise.

Layers... hard, easy, accessible, hard to get to. Eve can provide everything. It doesn't need to be same for everyone like most other MMO's out there. That is what makes it WIN in long term.

Before my first MMO game, i use to play the **** out of Unreal Tournament and Counterstrike. Along with warcraft 1-3, diablo, starcraft, among others.

Most of wow for me is leveling. I don't grind it out though, I play the game.

Scanning puts me to sleep, i can't scan, move probes in, change range, scan move probes in change range, scan move probes in change range enough to make it worth it. I may get through 2 systems and I'm asleep.
Mining?, i'd rather do fishing in wow, at least I can look at the beach.
Market, not exciting, don't care. Professions in wow.
Missions, omg. I can run quests in wow for weeks, Missions just put me to sleep. What is there 10 of them?
Raids, if you've never done them, get a good group and it's great. We'd raid a couple nights during the week, and 3pm to sometimes midnight on saturday.
PVP, spent a lot of time doing that. From the time I was lvl 15 in crossroads slinging fireballs through the walls lmao, before there were bg's.

Been in WH systems, scouted 0.0.

I see no point to any of it. Which is probably why I'm on the forums. Bored.

He does have a point though, I'm a miner myself and even though I enjoy it at sometimes there are more entertaining things to look at. Looking at EVE while mining ice would get me bored very easily, which is why I do other stuff, like planetary interaction or even watch a movie or something.

That EVE's in space is cool and all, but nothing other than a few ice asteroids tends to get... "lame". I'd love to see some graphics update for the ice asteroids...

And there's no need to tell him to grow up...

I've played WoW myself, and IMO the only fun thing was to create alts and level them up. I found the battlegrounds and crafting and all that stuff to be ridiculously boring.

I wish MMOs would have a more in-depth crafting system like Star Wars Galaxies had, god that crafting could have me stuck for hours...

Either you like it or you don't, it's as simple as that. Since you, yourself already said that you're only hanging around on the forums I assume you've already "quit" EVE.

However, because you don't like EVE doesn't mean it's not creative. EVE Online is very creative, people find different things to be fun. I agree with you on mining and missions, the missions are mostly boring because they feel so repetitive and I can't be bothered to read the actual Story behind it.

EVE has a whole different mission system as compared to WoW, and it's therefore rather unfair to compare the two - because the games are so different.

And the quests in WoW aren't really fun either, it's usually just "Go kill X many of Y." and "Gather this and that".

The only thing I find lacking in EVE is to play co-operatively with friends, now I'm a so called "carebear" because I dislike PvP because of the amount of douchebags involved, and it always ends up with people getting mad and blaming others and/or the game. Missions and Complexes in EVE are really boring to do with friends, I know that EVE is mainly a PvP focused game - but there is PvE for a reason, and I'd like to see it get some love.

So you're a dev then? I guess you are here to entertain me, else wtf is this game for?

You're not very good at your job.

Success is in the eye of the beholder. If you take a sharp stick and poke out one of your eyes, success would appear to diminish by 50%. The result of that would be the distinct impression things suddenly slid down hill! What's odd about that is, if you added a third eye, success would seem to rise 50%! It's uncanny! Though, I wouldn't suggest it, as three-eyed sunglasses would be very hard to find, so looking cool would be out.

Though there's no way to achieve the latter with any real success (as we all know), the former can be more simply achieved by putting a hand over one eye, then looking again!

TL;DR? It depends on what you call "success."

I understand you point really, but for me it happened the same with WoW. I enjoyed my first character (night elf druid) the most, doing new quest everyday, new dungeons, meeting new people, new places all was "WOW look at that"

After i reached L85 it begun to be repetitive and boring. Grind your dailies, grind the same dungeons, and tank the same raid monster every week. So I begin with another character (troll hunter) Since the places and quests were different in Azeroth, everything went "Oh good, look at that" I tried to choose quest chains i had not done with the druid.

Now, I'm fed up of WoW, I have done most of the quests, and I have been in every corner of Azeroth. Content is the same, I cannot do anything to change it, and I have to wait for Blizzard to introduce new content (and to pay 40€ for it)

In EvE missions are like quest in WoW, they are all the same, with the difference that you can repeat all the times you want, and in every place missions are different. Main problem in EVE is that you don't wander though the regions because you have to bring with you all your stuff which is costly (no magic bank like in WoW)

In EvE crafting is like WoW, repetitive and grinder, BUT, you have more variety, you need to study market, you need to optimize resource production and good production. You need to Think, instead of "skinn some piece of this to make that"

In EVE incursions are like Raids. You have a big group of people working as a whole against NPC big Odds, with the differece than you can compete against other people for the price, instead of "I join now, in 3 hours i will have my Epic :D"

PvE is the same in both games. The difference is in EVE you don't have guidances, you can do whatever you want to do, you can do it. I can't heal with a hunter in WoW, but i can be a 20 mill SP bounty hunter and train in 2 months to be a planetary improvement player, or a trader, or a miner.

Because in EVE what you do depends on what YOU decides to do, not what your class is designed to do.

If I want to think, to spend 3 hours coordinating mining ops (scouting, setting safe points, organizing people, looking market for more aprofitable minerals etc) and spend 2 hours shooting rocks in low sec while the guards try to scan the sector, try to pick any possible scout, to defend against small gangs if possible, or just retain them enough for the miners to jump out. Then I play EVE.

If i want to have fun for the shake of having fun, i play WoW (which i also enjoy some times)

And if I want to feel the rush... I play zerg in starcraft 2 :D

TL:DR. PvE content is similar in every MMO; what diferentiates one game from another is the end game and the posibilities offered in the game. You can chose theme parks MMO (which are fun, nobody want to deny that) or you can choose sandbox, where you have to think and create your own fun.

to the title, imagine if this was posted by a newb

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99090&find=unread

and consider the replies.

Ppl dont like it when they get flamed



Yeah pretty much.

The people in this game run off more noobs than anything id bet

in before "QQ moar" or "HTFU" or "good we didnt need those subs anyways"