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CCP - When are you going to do something about Tech Moons!!
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Dr Silkworth
#41 - 2012-04-20 20:04:08 UTC
Moons all need to come to high sec.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-20 20:04:48 UTC
Dr Silkworth wrote:
Moons all need to come to high sec.


What exactly are you a doctor of?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2012-04-20 20:46:07 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
How about a new rule, each corporation is allowed a maximum of 300 members and each alliance can only consist out of 4 corporations.

You can play around with those numbers, if you don't feel they're adequate, but it will make Null fun again ( i think ).

If there's a hard cap to how many players an alliance can have, there will be more alliances and more corporations fighting over the same space, making null something entire blogs are written about once again.

Right now ( so far as i can tell ), there's about 3 maybe 4 alliances that control most of null and a few alliances that control the rest off and on.

Those 3 or 4, are simply to big to take on.
Once that's no longer the case.............. well, i think i said enough.

Yeah we used to have a similar system. Max of 1500 members per corp?

It definitely means having external comms and methods of disseminating information become key for running major alliances.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dr Silkworth
#44 - 2012-04-20 20:50:44 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Dr Silkworth wrote:
Moons all need to come to high sec.


What exactly are you a doctor of?


Not the kind that can help you :)
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-04-20 21:14:53 UTC
It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.

Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"

They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-04-20 22:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Dr NAthan wrote:


This pretty much puts things into perspective for all though deluded morons saying "Get a gang together and go take some of the pie"

Yeah, I would love to see how that works out when 20 caps are dropped on you just for the lols, get a grip you lot, lets remember that these guys make a living from holding space, it's what they use to feed their families, Goo is the major contributor to RMT, they take this stuff more than seriously, it's not a game to them.


so mittens WASNT RPing?

Dr Silkworth wrote:
Moons all need to come to high sec.


cant do that, the tears would destroy the game

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Spurty
#47 - 2012-04-20 22:19:42 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer!


Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else!

Or were you after a reward without having to work for it?


This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER.

Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-04-20 22:28:45 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer!


Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else!

Or were you after a reward without having to work for it?


This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER.

Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see

what up n c bro

guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#49 - 2012-04-20 22:42:19 UTC
Commit Sudoku wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer!


Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else!

Or were you after a reward without having to work for it?


This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER.

Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see

what up n c bro

NC. didn't want those tech moons in Venal, let them be.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-04-20 22:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Markus Reese wrote:
It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.

Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"

They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining.


That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say.

When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space.

You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf.

So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does".

And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake.

It was removal of content.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-04-20 22:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.

Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"

They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining.


That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say.

When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space.

You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf.

So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does".

And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake.

It was removal of content.

Drone nerf fallback = Mining
Moon mineral fallback = ?

If there was another system for doing it already in place then yes, I can see it happening regardless of the consequences, but there isn't and coming up with something new isn't something they do quickly.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-04-20 23:06:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.

Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"

They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining.


That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say.

When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space.

You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf.

So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does".

And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake.

It was removal of content.

Drone nerf fallback = Mining
Moon mineral fallback = ?

If there was another system for doing it already in place then yes, I can see it happening regardless of the consequences, but there isn't and coming up with something new isn't something they do quickly.


They could put in asteroids, on planets, drops, in LADAR sites, buyable from NPC market orders, or LP store.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-04-20 23:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.

Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"

They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining.


That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say.

When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space.

You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf.

So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does".

And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake.

It was removal of content.

Drone nerf fallback = Mining
Moon mineral fallback = ?

If there was another system for doing it already in place then yes, I can see it happening regardless of the consequences, but there isn't and coming up with something new isn't something they do quickly.

I think he was trying to imply that team tech was somehow involved because they don't want tech nerfed.

Or goons. Hey, you know what, lets go with goons. Since Raiden. and NC. don't want their sov/tech moons anyway, it's gotta be us.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lanasak
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-04-20 23:09:58 UTC
The fact that one player cannot take and hold a tech moon without a good fleet backing him is not a problem.
Elzon1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-04-20 23:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Elzon1
I still think think Soundwave's moon mineral roids is a silly idea considering there is already an existing mechanic that can take care of the tech moon imbalance. The existing mechanic I am speaking of is alchemy. Moon mineral alchemy is already a part of r64 moons, why can't the same mechanic be applied to r32 moons?

The r32 alchemy idea isn't mine and certainly isn't new, it was suggest during the CSM meetings with CCP. The only reason I can see why CCP hasn't already started implementing it is that they like the current situation as it is with Super Capital proliferation. They are still not ready to see the current large alliances leave their positions.

So its not so much CCP favoritism as it is keeping things stable the way they are instead of burning it all Twisted

Will the ring mining mechanic work? Yes, so long as it allows for the oversupply of moon minerals to the market so as to lower prices of minerals down to being near unprofitable in terms of moon mining.

I still think it would be quicker to implement r32 alchemy, no need to make an entirely new mechanic.
Spurty
#56 - 2012-04-20 23:44:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Commit Sudoku wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer!


Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else!

Or were you after a reward without having to work for it?


This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER.

Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see

what up n c bro

NC. didn't want those tech moons in Venal, let them be.


You already know they only want to fight. No fight is no fight bloke.

FYI I don't personally hold any tech moons. Apparently you don't either or you wouldnt be trying so hard

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-04-21 00:00:40 UTC
In order to fight for tech moons you need huge supercap fleet.
In order to have huge supercap fleet you need tech moons (or bots which are illegal).

Enough said
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#58 - 2012-04-21 00:03:59 UTC
There was once this bob alliance sitting on loads of prom & dispro moons. Some corps had people in it that were afilliated with developers of the game. They were sitting on this hugh amounts of promethium and dyspro mmons. CCP told that it isnt right to give big alliances valablue moon they couldnt take. So once this alliance called bob left the moons got "rebalanced'.

http://imageshack.us/f/64/naamlooskp.jpg/ From the screeny you can see that they made the rarest & most staked r32 moon the most valualbe moon. Lucky for some people that they had the most value cluster of techmoon in their region exept venal which is npc space. Those people were also lucky that the sov mechanics got changed with a true sec methode. Lucky them they were also sitting in the region with the most true sec in eve!! When we all know tech was a mistake at first, i dont believe ccp is willing to chnage it for unknow resons. Basic fact is that it is a bottleneck which was predicted before it was inplementent. Wheter ccp does this deleberately or dont read the 10,00th post on forum about this is the question..... ether way lucky goons having 65 moons that produce 9 billion isk each, a 585 billion isk free a month..... Thats 2/3/4 times avarage alliance income

Where 1 R64 moon makes tops 900 million isk a month does a Rarity 32 makes that 9 times!!!!
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-04-21 00:05:16 UTC
Incursions are an isk faucet. Isk that was not circulating yesterday is in the system today.

Tech moons are not an isk sink. They do not add to inflation.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-04-21 00:29:14 UTC
another npc corp poster's valuable opinions on 0.0 space and mechanics