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Access to low/null-sec ores and minerals for a casual, lone carebear?

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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-01 19:28:39 UTC
With the removal of drone goo, it appears that I'm down one way to get things like Morphite. In theory, exploration might hold some access through wormholes to null and gravimetric sites, but that seems like it's getting pretty farmed out too.

Missioning can yield most minerals through reprocessing, but not Morphite, that I've seen anyway. Am I missing anything that doesn't involve buying it from someone or trying to avoid gatecamps along the way to null?

*looks at the Incarna door, wonders what it reprocesses into*
Skorpynekomimi
#2 - 2012-04-01 20:03:47 UTC
Wormhole routes to Null.
Jump drives. You'll need someone on the other side of the lowsec gatecamps to light a cyno and hop you through.
Jump clones. Usually obtained through someone with a rorqual. You'll probably need to have your junk couriered there.
Stop being solo. Join a corp with access to null, use one of their methods of getting there.
Pod jumping. Get a blank jump clone, hop into it. Update and set your medical clone to somewhere your corp has an office, go into space, and self-destruct your pod. Suddenly, you're in null.

Otherwise, the market is what you're after. Buy orders in highsec systems near routes to nullsec. Jita. Other trade hubs.

I highly suggest finding a corp or alliance that'll put up with you being casual and largely DIY, though. EVE is multiplayer, after all.
And at the very least, you can sell them stuff.

Economic PVP

Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#3 - 2012-04-01 22:08:50 UTC
Interesting thing though, the skiff does have the +2 warp strength for avoiding those gatecamps ;)

Not that I'd suggest that route.

You pretty much need access to null for morphite. Upgraded systems are good for it.

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Caha Evano
Victory of Samothrace
#4 - 2012-04-01 22:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Caha Evano
If you are willing to brave the dangers of null-sec, I would head to a C-1 or C-2 wormhole system. No local to inform people you are there, and all the mining sites have to be scaned down, so no hoping to belts till they find where you been hanging out. The differnce being that you will need a scanner alt there at all times basicaly, and just wait for a WH to hi-sec to open up, but with C-1 they almost always if not always have a staic to hi-sec, and C-2 has a little bit lower of a chance.

Just always keep your hauler cloacked, and if you see anyone on d-scan head out and cloack up.

Edit:

Just want to add that you can even keep a collection of Giant Secure Cans in a safe spot with ammo and probes and the like in them, and use them as a mini-hub of sorts. I am not sure if they can be scaned down though, and if they are they have 500k hp so it will take a while to burn through them. Addtionaly, your hauler with a sisters launcher, sisters probes, and rangefinding at 4, you should be able to scan down most sites so it can act as a backup scanner.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-01 23:08:56 UTC
Caha Evano wrote:
If you are willing to brave the dangers of null-sec, I would head to a C-1 or C-2 wormhole system. No local to inform people you are there, and all the mining sites have to be scaned down, so no hoping to belts till they find where you been hanging out. The differnce being that you will need a scanner alt there at all times basicaly, and just wait for a WH to hi-sec to open up, but with C-1 they almost always if not always have a staic to hi-sec, and C-2 has a little bit lower of a chance.

Just always keep your hauler cloacked, and if you see anyone on d-scan head out and cloack up.

Edit:

Just want to add that you can even keep a collection of Giant Secure Cans in a safe spot with ammo and probes and the like in them, and use them as a mini-hub of sorts. I am not sure if they can be scaned down though, and if they are they have 500k hp so it will take a while to burn through them. Addtionaly, your hauler with a sisters launcher, sisters probes, and rangefinding at 4, you should be able to scan down most sites so it can act as a backup scanner.


You also can't fly a Hulk / Covetor (or an Orca) through any hole that connects to a C1. You can bring the Hulk / Covetor in if it's packaged and stored in a hauler of mass <20mil kg, then assemble it inside the C1 and mine, hauling stuff out with an industrial ship, but you won't be able to take the Hulk out ever (options are get it blown up, self-destruct, or just leave it there). Just something to note if considering C1 living.
Caha Evano
Victory of Samothrace
#6 - 2012-04-02 02:12:09 UTC
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
You also can't fly a Hulk / Covetor (or an Orca) through any hole that connects to a C1. You can bring the Hulk / Covetor in if it's packaged and stored in a hauler of mass <20mil kg, then assemble it inside the C1 and mine, hauling stuff out with an industrial ship, but you won't be able to take the Hulk out ever (options are get it blown up, self-destruct, or just leave it there). Just something to note if considering C1 living.


I forgot to think of that, knew a battleship wouldn't fit, oh well. How would you fit the hulk if you bring it through in an indy? I guess you can bring along a small control tower and ship maintenance array the first time. If that route is taken, a Covetor is a small drop in mining effeinceny and small intial isk investment.

Well another option he has is to head to providence and mine there, I am pretty sure you can mine in those systems with the CVA and their allies being NRDS.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-02 03:01:16 UTC
Caha Evano wrote:
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
You also can't fly a Hulk / Covetor (or an Orca) through any hole that connects to a C1. You can bring the Hulk / Covetor in if it's packaged and stored in a hauler of mass <20mil kg, then assemble it inside the C1 and mine, hauling stuff out with an industrial ship, but you won't be able to take the Hulk out ever (options are get it blown up, self-destruct, or just leave it there). Just something to note if considering C1 living.


I forgot to think of that, knew a battleship wouldn't fit, oh well. How would you fit the hulk if you bring it through in an indy? I guess you can bring along a small control tower and ship maintenance array the first time. If that route is taken, a Covetor is a small drop in mining effeinceny and small intial isk investment.

Well another option he has is to head to providence and mine there, I am pretty sure you can mine in those systems with the CVA and their allies being NRDS.


Yep, a small control tower is perfect for temporary habitation. It eats like 4mil/day in fuel which isn't bad, and if you bring in storage and a SMA you can bring in a Covetor and a BC (insured Covetor FTW?..). Since some combat ability is needed to clear grav Sleeper groups, might as well put that to good use and try to convert some Sleepers to nanoribbons, even if cleaning out entire anomalies or radars/mags might be kind of difficult (in case of only marginal combat skills) Smile

OP, if you're looking to avoid placing a control tower for whatever reason, your best option is a Retriever and an indy ship (cloaked somewhere not at grav site). You'll need to clear out the Sleepers from the grav site first in a BC or good cruiser of some sort, and make sure you have a way to get out of the wh if the one you came through collapses. And of course watch out for murder squads. I don't recommend going into any wh to do stuff if it opens up in a busy system, you will be visited and a Retriever on d-scan looks delicious.
Dhar'aul
Timberton Holdings
#8 - 2012-04-02 07:52:57 UTC
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
Retriever on d-scan looks delicious.


Mine in Hurricanes :P



A fleet of 5-7 mining hurricanes does not look that delicious on D-scan. In any case it is lulz worthy.
Sahara Uhuru
#9 - 2012-04-02 12:47:50 UTC
Why not use a drone mining cruiser?
As the miners are just a nice bonus you can fit a probe launcher in the highs and a good tank in the lows.
And if you are attacked just change from mining drones to combat or ECM drones.

And on top of that: It's cheap even with drone mining rigs.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#10 - 2012-04-02 13:03:30 UTC
I don't get what you are asking/trying to do. Morphite is your issue? If so, you won't find that in wormholes afkik. If you go through to null sec, you will probably be in someone else's space. You won't last long there. Plus, the system you end up in won't guarantee you will find mercoxit anyway. True sec of the system is important. I'm in 0.0 and I get morphite from drone poo, not mining. It will show up in grav sites through industry upgrades but you would need to be in the corp/alliance that holds the system to let you have it.

Again, I'm not really sure what you are asking. If you are just looking for morphite for use in industry, then you should just buy from market. If you just want to mine high ends casually, then join a null sec corp or go to a wormhole.

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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-02 17:00:28 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
I don't get what you are asking/trying to do. Morphite is your issue? If so, you won't find that in wormholes afkik. If you go through to null sec, you will probably be in someone else's space. You won't last long there. Plus, the system you end up in won't guarantee you will find mercoxit anyway. True sec of the system is important. I'm in 0.0 and I get morphite from drone poo, not mining. It will show up in grav sites through industry upgrades but you would need to be in the corp/alliance that holds the system to let you have it.

Again, I'm not really sure what you are asking. If you are just looking for morphite for use in industry, then you should just buy from market. If you just want to mine high ends casually, then join a null sec corp or go to a wormhole.



It sounds like you might be in the same boat as many of us when drone droppings die. Morphite access is one thing, and just general access to higher-end ores is also what I'm asking about. It looks like the general options for a high-sec casual lonebear have been covered, though. At least at present.
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-11 13:38:36 UTC
I've been searching for just such a thread as I think a lot of us are thinking about ways to capitalize on the pending changes with Inferno.

Solo Mining in 0.0 and/or WH space sounds like a logistical nightmare and problems include:
1) Just getting in and out requires (for example) a recon ship + jump freighter (so you aren't really soloing anyway).
2) running operations once there - a POS is recommended
3) staying alive in clunky vulnerable industrial type ships.

And I just saw a recruiting ad from the 0.0 Vitriol Industries (or some such corp name) looking "experienced" miners. This option is sounding a lot better at this point because it would solve all the problems listed above and you will be working with people that can educate you to life in 0.0.

I'm just wondering though, are there any guides posted on this topic ?
Bennet Am
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-04-15 14:42:30 UTC
Getting in and out is not so bad.

Use dotlan maps to find dead boring 0.0 systems that are accessible. Make your travel bookmarks so you can avoid bubbles. Choose systems where the activity is mainly from other timezones. Don't expect to operate in hostile space most weekends.

I think I remember people setting up an Orca as a mobile base.

Start making plans and you will be ready by the next "Power of Two" offer.

All in all, it can be an exciting project. Buy some plex to fund it and have fun. Just don't calculate ROI.



dungabee
Molden Heath Software Company
#14 - 2012-04-15 21:43:08 UTC
No problem man if you have 2 accounts and a bit of of a "risk-on" attitiude. Nullsec mining is easily achievable for a solo guy. This is what I used to do. I used two accounts.

1st char in a Rorqual with a Clone Bay, cloak, Industrial Core, and drones. I fill up the Rorq with mining ships. You can get a few packaged frigates in there too for a bit of ratting.

On your 2nd char you need a cyno alt char and a mining character.

Have a look on dotlan maps for a quiet system in nullsec with the ore you want to mine. I was looking for Arkonor. I found a nice system in Etherium Reach that had, perhaps 1-2 jumps per hour. A big system is best, where the belts you're mining in can't be seen on dscan from any of the gates.

Use your cyno-alt and jump your Rorq into null. It took me 3 jumps to get there. In lowsec I jumped in right outside a station, and in null I just waited til the system was empty to do the jump. Most null systems seem to deserted, so you don't have to wait long.

When jumping into null, for the love of god, move your rorq away from the alt and cloak up. And make a safespot that is further than 14AU from anything on overview and jump to that. I found it was worth using my drones to destroy the cyno-alt, because the Rorq's top speed with a cloak on is slower than your average garden snail. And a KM in a Rorq always looks good. One time I had a pilot find the cyno-alt and start circling outwards. He was only inches away from decloaking me - I nearly s**t myself. So pick an odd angle to move your Rorq away.

For your mining pilot, just jump your clone to the Rorq and get to it. The rats are a bit problematic but I just warped to another belt when if I couldn't tank them.

As for trouble from the locals. I hardly saw them over the course of weeks (hello Bloodbound alliance). I rarely saw anybody actually. The jump would occasionally rouse some attention, but by the time they arrive your cyno-alt is safely off-overview and podded back to highsec. If only they knew :)

Compressing the ore is potentially a danger window - the Industrial Core freezes your Rorq for 5 minutes (no cloak) however because you're off dscan range, the odds of being discovered are slim. And nobody is looking for highsec carebears on their own in a Rorq :)

Finally, keep your head down: don't post your cyno-alt KMs. If someone spots you in null and checks you out and sees you killed a Slasher in Rorq in their system then they will investigate! Don't talk to people, don't blab about what you're up to. Who wouldn't want a fat juicy Rorq on their KB.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-15 22:10:37 UTC
One option on the WH front is to hook up with a WH corp. it seems a large number of WH corps are often focused on the PVP combat side. They often leave the grav belts to despawn on their own. So it would be an option to have abc ores all to yourself.

Devil tiger
#16 - 2012-04-15 22:27:15 UTC
And remember if you think you can get your Rorqual/any other mining ship (in carrier for example) in a system in "unused or hostile" 0.0.

Anyone whose seen your Rorqual can bring his dread/carrier and/or friends to get the juicy Rorq KM.

So make sure you have a cyno alt ready at all times in some place safe to whisk your precious capital out.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#17 - 2012-04-16 01:03:16 UTC
You can easily access these materials from the market for much less bother and inconvenience than what other people in this thread have suggested.

Minerals you mine aren't free: Are you really gonna be arsed to set up jump routes and smuggle your Hulks and Orcas into hostile space just to save a few million ISK on Zydrine when the market is just a few short jumps away in Jita?

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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-04-20 21:28:57 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
You can easily access these materials from the market for much less bother and inconvenience than what other people in this thread have suggested.

Minerals you mine aren't free: Are you really gonna be arsed to set up jump routes and smuggle your Hulks and Orcas into hostile space just to save a few million ISK on Zydrine when the market is just a few short jumps away in Jita?



I'm all about multiple ways of getting things, as well as learning how to 'do that part of the game that I haven't played before'. Granted, learning EVERYTHING in EVE is a multi-year project, and just when you *think* you've learned it all, something new comes along.

And right now, the 'smuggling' involves going through potential gatecamps in low and on the low/null borders, so I'll likely have to be content with market hubs. (I haven't learned the wormhole mining zen yet, trying to use my mining pick-ax in a dark corner while constantly looking around for that hungry Morlock/Troll of a wormhole dweller... yeesh!) Roll
Mohamad Transporte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-04-21 09:38:10 UTC
neglect all above... solution is:
Come to providence... as long as u are neutral (non-pirate corp) u are welcome to come and mine as u like... pm me in game to tell u more.. we operate providence as NRDS (Not red done shoot) so come rat/mine/do whatever u want for free and with production (only exception no poses allowed)

stations available also for docking / trading
Suni Khan
#20 - 2012-04-21 10:57:44 UTC
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
neglect all above... solution is:
Come to providence... as long as u are neutral (non-pirate corp) u are welcome to come and mine as u like... pm me in game to tell u more.. we operate providence as NRDS (Not red done shoot) so come rat/mine/do whatever u want for free and with production (only exception no poses allowed)

stations available also for docking / trading



the 20 red gangs moving through providence every day does not help security.

also CVA shooting blues often does not either.

please dont drag unknowing pilots into your shithole.