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Hulkageddon seems illogical

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Ravan Hekki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-20 11:24:22 UTC
Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales.
Sandra Vellocet
Extended Industries
#22 - 2012-04-20 11:34:03 UTC
Ravan Hekki wrote:
Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales.


Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that?
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#23 - 2012-04-20 11:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
Sandra Vellocet wrote:
Ravan Hekki wrote:
Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales.


Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that?


24th of April right after Jita gets burned to the ground (apparently).
Sandra Vellocet
Extended Industries
#24 - 2012-04-20 11:36:37 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Sandra Vellocet wrote:
Ravan Hekki wrote:
Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales.


Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that?


24th of April right after Jita gets burned to the ground (apparently).


Thank you (hope your right)
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#25 - 2012-04-20 11:41:04 UTC
Kira Kasumi wrote:
Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical?
on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.

but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.


Or on the other side of the coin they've planned it to be exactly at that point straight after the gunmining nerf and Jita burn when mineral prices are expected to spike upward as people live off their depleting reserves.

The logical response would be to go out and mine, the logical counter would be host Hulkageddon right there and then for maximum tears/exposure/internets fame and attentions. The latter of which certain people seem to constantly be whoring themselves out for.


So dock your barges, take a couple of weeks off, scout out your new mining homes and plan for your large scale post HG ops where you can cash in on the mineral prices. Laugh at the idiots who didn't listen and got their shiny barges blown up by Thrasher fleets and be safe knowing some guys are roaming around frustrated they didn't get to harvest your tears*.


To answer your question, yes, it's very logical from their perspective.




*No really, the amount of tears Carebears can harvest by denying people kills is extraordinary.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-04-20 12:04:59 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest.

It's probably too late for the latter, to be honest.


There is still time to make a quick buck. If you invest a few billion today in buy orders, you'll probably make a profit when you sell it all back tomorrow in sell orders.

What I'm curious about is when it becomes profitable to buy up items to reprocess to sell them back to the market as minerals.
Justice Comes
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-20 12:05:44 UTC
I shall now explain it in one sentence: The people doing the killing are not the people that care about cheap prices on ships, etc.

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#28 - 2012-04-20 12:11:48 UTC
Kira Kasumi wrote:
guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.

but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.


without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"

then go play WoW Blink

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#29 - 2012-04-20 12:15:04 UTC
In a world full of pirates robbing each other every second it's completely logical to remove the farmers sowing the seeds and harvesting the crops, 'cause it's so cool to hate them.

I hope I am around to see the last hulk burned by laser fire, only to notice people starting to mine in frigates and battleships again.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#30 - 2012-04-20 12:19:33 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Kira Kasumi wrote:
guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.

but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.


without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"


Let's be fair, losing a cheap Thrasher is hardly a risk when you're bringing down a ship that's 100x in cost. People would be less inclined to suicidegank hulks if they required any major investment.

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Boomhaur
#31 - 2012-04-20 12:29:10 UTC
Don't know about the rest of you but I already made money off of the burn Jita and hulkagedon people before it started Bear.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#32 - 2012-04-20 12:29:44 UTC
Hulkageddon, because of market. 'Nuff said.

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dave3NG
Finite Future
#33 - 2012-04-20 12:42:24 UTC
Sandra Vellocet wrote:

Thank you (hope your right)


It is right after "Burn Jita", but I think that's on 28th April, as it's a Saturday. CBA to go C&P to confirm Sad

I used my Mack for the first time in a year yesterday, then went AFK for 4 hours in space.. still got the Mack, so Tolle seems safe enough. AFK mining ftw..
Whitehound
#34 - 2012-04-20 13:02:30 UTC
Hulkageddon is about finding weaknesses in the game and exposing them. One could only write about what one sees as a weakness, but if it goes unheard then one needs to show it. I do not see this as being irrational.

It is mean, but so is giving kids space ships with guns so they can shoot each other. If you want to complain then complain to CCP for making it possible.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#35 - 2012-04-20 14:31:26 UTC
To the OP,

There is undeniable logic behind Hulkageddon. You have to think about it for a while to see it. Hulkageddon offers rewards in many forms for those to achieve certain types of kills and number of kills, so there is incentive to kill mining ships even at the expense of a sec-hit. There is also the loot that is dropped whenever a Hulk is killed that are later sold to the market. And that is not including the salvage that comes from the wreck. Some Hulk pilots fit faction mods on their ships like ORE Strip Miners and others which grab the attention of seasoned gankers who scan their targets for profitable loot.

Then there is the fact that not all gankers are strictly pvp-focused pilots. A number of them are also miners themselves who want to drive prices back up for minerals and ultimately ships so that they can profit more. After all, they are gathering the minerals to either sell direct or use them to manufacture the ships needed to gank miners.

In regards to the sec status, it doesn't matter to be honest. All you need is a ganker alt that will definitely be a -10 character pretty soon. You then use your main to deliver the gank ship to a safespot in the system where your target is located and then swap ship with the ganker alt. Just remember that as soon as your -10 character boards the ship, you will need to haul ass and warp to your target before the local faction police arrives. No, your warp capabilities will not be disabled until you actually provoke Concord by ganking someone. Once you ganked someone, warp to safespot or dock up and wait for GCC timer to expire in 15 minutes. Rinse. Repeat. Profit.

Oh, don't forget to use your main character to pick up and salvage the loot left behind.

I can speculate as to why people think Hulkageddon may not have had a serious impact on the economy. Perhaps it already did and we didn't notice it because we have grown so accustomed to Hulkageddon and those who gank outside the event all year round that the prices have adjusted accordingly before anyone realized it and now we have this impression that Hulkageddon didn't make an impact. It's like the reverse form of when the media says that crime seems to increase during a full moon at night but experts point out that it's just the fact that the light from the moon just illuminates what was already there but didn't notice before.

Adapt or Die

Koppite
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-04-20 14:51:50 UTC
some ppl still think they are pvping....RollRollRoll
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#37 - 2012-04-20 14:55:48 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"


That is not a risk (where the consequence is chance-based), it is a certainty, though.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#38 - 2012-04-20 14:59:12 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"


That is not a risk (where the consequence is chance-based), it is a certainty, though.


The risk is not succeeding in the gank and thus getting nothing out of it.

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-20 15:06:06 UTC
Retards in abundance.

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-20 15:08:52 UTC
Consider that Hulk ganking goes on year round. Then consider that the price for a Hulk (and almost every ship/mod in the game) has risen to unprecedented levels without the "help" of the actual Hulkageddon event.

The Hulkageddon promoters will point to kill mails as the "evidence " that Hulkageddon is having the intended effect. I've run the numbers in the past two years, and sales were altered, but only by a statisically insignificant quantity. I'll bet if we run the numbers for this year's event, the outcome will be the same or similar: statisically insignificant.

I think the fact that Hulk ganking has become an year-round open sport rather negates the stated effects. Furthermore, I know Helicity wants to believe that (s)he is "teaching" lessons to all us losers, but nobody is "learning" anything they don't already know from these year-round Hulk ganks.

Bottom line from my perspective is that Hulkageddon may have had a point at its incepetion, but now it just adds bounties for killing ORE ships and related industrials when the players are doing this for free+kicks+giggles year-round anyway. Oh, I'm sure it adds ePeen for the "winners" too.

Whatever floatz yur boatz boyz. I have far more fun things to do than gank the wimpiest ships in the game using cookie cutter builds/strategies.