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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act
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skagen watch
skagen watch Corporation
#41 - 2012-04-19 14:06:17 UTC
ISN Management is pretty bad. All characters that were started around 2010 with clearly no knowledge of in game mechanics. They were rejecting participants in Incursions because people were bringing Faction Phased Plasma L and Fusion L instead of Faction EMP L. Dumb. Most of the people rejected are due to lack of skills, and believe me, you are not participating in a community, ISN is simply using you to fill in the gaps in their participation.

Due to the nature of the their terrible management, they have also painted themselves as targets for most griefers. Enjoy risking you shiny billion isk battleships.

Kodavor - Some really awkward Russian that was abused by his father in the past. Babbles in the most incoherent monotone voice ever while scanning everyone down in their ships. This man is also the most passive aggressive individual I've ever encountered. Any issues and nothing will get brought up to you, he'll go through back channels and get everyone to act on his behalf. Also your pvp alt? http://eveboard.com/pilot/Xeda_Jotan Ya, not to hard to track down. You recently purchased that character as of February.

Herr Ronin- Terrible. Absolutely nothing of value here. Spends most of his time in stations because he's constantly getting wardecced.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Luna_Haywire

Bought that carrier because, I can only assume, he thought that all those drone points would be worth something. Hilariously enough, he spend 12B isk on a that character for logistics... Money well spent ronin, money well spent.

Noble Ranger- Fairly diplomatic, nice guy. Nothing too bad you can say about him except for he hangs out with the 2 douchiest carebears in EVE.

Conclusion, you get what you paid for. ISN was started by Me 1st and had a few contributors like Kieth Planck. These two actually had an understanding of in game mechanics. Sadly just about everyone of them is a troll, Me 1st running of with a few measly isk and Kieth simply not willing to put the effort into reforming such a group. Thus you have the three stooges stepping up and taking over the community of ISN. Join ISN if you wish, but it will all be over soon anyways thus this thread is pretty much moot.
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#42 - 2012-04-19 15:00:03 UTC
Anderron Shi wrote:
LOL link your pvp account.

I still don't see how you can go about killboard records of others when your own shows that you are quite the noob yourself.
Nothing wrong with being unable to fit T2 guns on your Hurricane, but do yourself a favor and fix your own killboard record before you criticize others.
Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#43 - 2012-04-19 22:11:57 UTC
Anderron Shi wrote:
NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NO RISK, NO ISK NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NO RISK, NO ISK NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF



NERF ALL THE THINGS!!!!!


And I agree. Nerf EVERYTHING!
Make Eve harsh.
Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#44 - 2012-04-19 22:22:52 UTC
Kodavor wrote:
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Why is it that incursion people do not complain about WH ISK but WH people complain about incursion isk ? You just now said it yourself that you earn more . If you earn more then why do you complain ? Do you want others to not earn anything and take their ships to your " home field " so you can feel " powerfull and mighty " ? Please get back on the ground .


Besides the obvious risk vs reward, where hisec shouldn't offer equivalent reward to low/no sec, it's the sheer number of people doing them that causes that much more inflationary pressure of the only kind that counts, isk to plex inflation.

WH's could do with a nerf too mind, it's where I've gotten my isk since 2009, and too much of it too easily, but there aren't that many people living off wormhole rewards, so the overall effect is far smaller.
skagen watch
skagen watch Corporation
#45 - 2012-04-19 22:48:39 UTC
Difference between Incursions and WH's is two fold.

1. Risk Vs Reward. To properly do WH's safely you would need to always be on your toes. WH mechanics mean that at any moment someone could show up and PVP your ass. Also, to live and run WH sites consistently you would need to set up POSs and have a logistics plan laid out to cash in on all the work done. WHs require considerably more in game knowledge than incursions.

2. Resource faucet vs ISK faucet. WHs could be considered both. Only issue with WHs maybe some of the blue loot drops that have NPC orders. This should not be the case. As with any resource faucet, an over supply would lead to that one resource being worthless and the ISK/hr dropping dramatically if there is not enough demand for it. With so many new T3 doctrine fleets being flown today it can be easy to see why nano ribbons have maintained its high value.

Incursions are an ISK faucet. Like with bounties there is a value that can be attached with ISK/hr spent running them. If Incursion running gets saturated the ISK/hr would never drop for some (groups set up especially to run incursions and generally win every contest).



As it is now, Incursions generate way too much ISK/hr for the effort and knowledge involved.
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#46 - 2012-04-20 02:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenchuu Khaan
To my knowledge the issue isn't that Incursions get nerfed, the issue is that they used to be there for quite some time generating a truckload of ISK for people specialized in them. Nerfing them is only natural and I agree that risk vs. reward is absolutely ridiculous compared to other ISK earning possibilities
What bugs me personally, and I see that being agreed on by others, is that Incursions pretty much get "destroyed" as a proper source of income

Of course we have to look at what effectively happens to them but so far all I've personally heard are "tales from sisi" and them being double-nerfed to the point where it makes no sense to run them.

It sits fine with me that "people" are complaining about Incursions, what has to be understood though is that "those carebears" will stay in highsec nontheless
Besides that the inflation we see right now has nothing to do with Incursions as carebears tend to not lose their vessels ;)

PS: Mining is a ******* joke. One of the main issues in EVE's economy.
ISN Spy spizors
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-04-20 02:53:29 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:
To my knowledge the issue isn't that Incursions get nerfed, the issue is that they used to be there for quite some time generating a truckload of ISK for people specialized in them. Nerfing them is only natural and I agree that risk vs. reward is absolutely ridiculous compared to other ISK earning possibilities
What bugs me personally, and I see that being agreed on by others, is that Incursions pretty much get "destroyed" as a proper source of income

Of course we have to look at what effectively happens to them but so far all I've personally heard are "tales from sisi" and them being double-nerfed to the point where it makes no sense to run them.

It sits fine with me that "people" are complaining about Incursions, what has to be understood though is that "those carebears" will stay in highsec nontheless
Besides that the inflation we see right now has nothing to do with Incursions as carebears tend to not lose their vessels ;)

PS: Mining is a ******* joke. One of the main issues in EVE's economy.



I spent about 3 months in a relatively safe part of the vale with a 4 billion isk PvE machariel. I could clock in at about 70mil/hr farming the sites right below sanctums (forget what they are called) but i was using a machariel and not a maelstrom so it was alot easier. Now compared to incursions i say that needs a tiny buff, it is a lot more convient though because i could just undock anytime, no waiting for fleets. One of the biggest problem of people thinking incursions make too much is they have no idea how long the average person actually waits for a fleet.

Mining IS a joke and heres why: It's not fun, it's hard to make safe, and you lose too much if you get ambushed. The skill trainings for mining is crazy...
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#48 - 2012-04-20 08:05:16 UTC
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PS: Mining is a ******* joke. One of the main issues in EVE's economy.



Quote:
Mining IS a joke and heres why: It's not fun, it's hard to make safe, and you lose too much if you get ambushed. The skill trainings for mining is crazy...



+1 . Fix this and you will see the prices to level out . Mining has been utter BS for a looooong time in Empire and it is one of the base things that is required to make anything in this game .
Bent Barrel
#49 - 2012-04-20 08:20:40 UTC
Kodavor wrote:
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PS: Mining is a ******* joke. One of the main issues in EVE's economy.



Quote:
Mining IS a joke and heres why: It's not fun, it's hard to make safe, and you lose too much if you get ambushed. The skill trainings for mining is crazy...



+1 . Fix this and you will see the prices to level out . Mining has been utter BS for a looooong time in Empire and it is one of the base things that is required to make anything in this game .


well CCP "fixed" mining by introducing the drone regions ... we know how that worked out ...
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#50 - 2012-04-20 08:21:52 UTC
>.<
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