Warfare & Tactics

I live in lo sec and get into fights like that all the time, don't worry.

I've always wanted to say this:

Cry more stupid pirate... I love pirate tears.

If you want to make stupid comments about how everything is PvP, make your own thread.

The simple answer is, because they can, or, that's how they choose to play.

To expand on that, everyone plays the game for a different reason. Some people choose to build stuff, some choose to mine, some choose to fight in large fleets, some choose to fight in small gangs, others choose to relentlessly grief people. That's what makes the game so great.

I actually think you are trying to overanalyze this.

The reason some people choose to do what you describe is because, at the end of the day, they want to sit down and annihilate "helpless" carebears. That's about all, they enjoy doing it, is there really any other reason needed?

I have carebeared.

I have PVPed.

I have flat out griefed, yet I have also given a new player hundreds of millions of ISK and advice. More than a few times.

The problem isn't that you mine, build things, rat, whatever. All players do this.

The problem is you don't want to do anything else and expect someone else to change the rules to help you.

I recently setup a war against another corp because, hey, why not it'll be a laugh. The first thing they did (within half an hour) was completely disband the corp. The very next thing they did was send petitions to CCP complaining about it.

The alt corp used was less than half their size, with characters as young as 5 days. No kills to the corps name. The target was offered help by two alliances but instead just disbanded.

That's just pathetic. I have no desire, per se, to drive someone out of the game, but yes, people who act like a victim are just going to get thrown on the ground and kicked.

OP didn't, actually. He just asked why it bothers some people he does not want to do PvP.

But I guess part of the answer is "because some people who prefer not to spend a lot of time demanding that rules be changed to support their stance, so you are easily mistaken for someone like that".

Sarcasm isn't your strong point, is it?

Mmmm...no.

If you want to avoid one kind of PVP, then we should all be able to avoid all kinds of PVP. Therefore we need:

-fixed market prices
-instanced missions, incursions, and exploration
-PVP dueling in deadspace pockets
-infinite ore asteroids so that miners can't cut each other's cycles
-total protection from scamming
-the inability to engage in aggressive acts in highsec

If that's the game you want, I think you came to the wrong place. If it's not the game you want, if you like Eve for all the competition and opportunities it provides, then you have to accept all varieties of PVP. Even those you don't like.

It's probably The Mittani's fault.

Eve is a very open game. People are free to do as they please within the games mechanics. You are free to try and avoid PvP at any cost, and other players are free to persue you or ignore you as they please. You can ether be a victim allowing yourself to be pushed around and have your playing style restricted to the point that you won't even log in. Thats your choice. The game does not need to be changed.

As I've said before, diversity is the spice of life Train up multiple proffesions and as players try to shut one down (hulkageddon for instance) move onto another.

The PVP you speak of is not real PVP. Attacking a pilot flying an industrial for no reason other than lawls is Ganking. Ganking is what wanna be PVPers do when they suck at true PVP

PVP stands for Player vs Player as in two or more players fighting each other. A pilot who can not cut it in null flying around high sec looking for easy prey that will have no chance of fighting back is not PVP it is PGP Player Ganking Player. I under stand some Gankers actually enjoy this, and that they do it just for the tiers. What I do not get is why? For me a game needs to have challenge and risk to be even remotely enjoyable. Attacking defenseless indy pilots is neither Challenging or risky, The only challenge is popping them before concord shows up which is actually quite easy, and there is no risk. The indy pilot has no chance, the fight is completely one sided. Sure there is a very high risk of getting CONCORDED but that is something they accept before even considering ganking, not a risk but a known liability that they plan for

The only reason I can see for a ganker to actually go out ganking and call it PVP, is that they are so afraid of losing a fight that they are to scared to actually go into NULL or W-space where the real PVPers are. Just like the little over grown kid in the play ground. He thinks it is fun to run around beating on all the smaller kids who are to little to defend themselves. He is nothing but a pathetic little failure with no friends. What happens when he gets to high school and is now one of the little kids. A Ganker is no better. They can say they do it for the tiers all they want, but in reality are just as pathetic as the little bully in the play ground

They call me a carebear, yet I have lived and fought in null, I have held my own against far better PVPers than any high sec ganker could ever hope to be. Oh wow you can kill a HULK. your entire little gank squad could not take me down in one of my PVP fit ships. Hell even my PVE mission ships would be an impossible target for the typical ganker. We will see who is crying when ship prices get so high the Gankers need to spend more time grinding isk than hunting HULKS

Gankers don't call it pvp. They call it ganking, and it's usually for profit or tears. There is a difference and the only people to confuse the term and use of it are carebears who don't know any better.