Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's ridiculously easy to prevent getting ganked in a Hulk. You deserve to be ganked if you're too stupid to figure out how.

increase the tank of all the t2 mining ships and t2 transport ships.
i think adding 2000 shield and 1000 armor would be sufficient. not sure though.

Want a buff to Exhumers? Make the description accurate without changing the base stats.

lets see if we can make this into an opportunity to bring in a new Mining ship.

A mining vessel that focuses on a Major tank and not Production
Maybe battle ship size - Able to use 2 Strip miners. Or Special Mining drones.
Able to provide Minor PVP support eve quivalent to Sniping destroy possibly


unless all the people being ganked have been using ships max minining ability vs a tank?

If suicide ganking was a serious problem for highsec mining, highsec miners would adjust their behavior and actually fit shield resist mods, damage control units and shield rigs instead of MLUs and cargohold expanders. However, judging by the lossmails of the suicide ganked, highsec miners as a whole are so unaffected by suicide ganking that they choose to forego basic ship protection in order to compete with their peers.

In short, let's wait until suicide ganking is a serious problem before we start talking about rebalancing.

reduce shields and armor by half but increase hull HP - the hulk has 3 times the mass of a BC! all this has got to be the reinforced hull holding the ship together for hard industrial usage, what else? volume should be increased from 200k to 300k m³ and signature radius from 254m to 300m.

make it more sturdy to allow up to 80k EHP hulks while dramatically reducing its tanking ability.

Here is a thought.

Make a turtle.

Make a mining drone ship.
No turret slots, no launcher hardpoints.

Make it so tough, that anyone trying to gank one is recommended to take a drug test afterwards.
(Think Marauder level defenses)

Now, have it rely exclusively on mining drones. It can fit 10 total in it's drone bay, and control 5 in space.

Give it bonuses so these 5 drones can collectively perform at a level between the Covetor and the Hulk.

Now, gankers can eat these drones, sure... but the ship can get away. It can fit a tank they can't get through, if it wants.
(again, Marauder levels, but focusing on defense... a fleet could eat one, but not a solo ship very well)

TL:DR Gankers can stop it from working, but it is likely to survive the encounter

REALLY?! And how does this help anywhere in the conversation?

1. Being aligned and being full-speed aligned are two very different things. You don't need to be aligned and at full-speed to avoid being ganked. You can't sit stationary and mine while you watch TV, that's a shame. You actually will need to pilot the ship you're umm....piloting.

2. There is not a single ship in the game that can lock you the moment you see it on grid. They do take time to come out of warp to be able to lock, then lock time. You will not likely find a ship with a scan res high enough to insta-lock you on landing AND have the dps to pop a hulk before being concorded.

You have 2 options here: fit mods to survive the gank at the expense of a little productivity, or actually be at your keyboard, piloting your ship, and paying attention while you play EVE. Personally, I think BOTH should be required, but currently, you only need to do one or the other to survive.

Here's the problem neither of you get, reguardless of which side of the fence you're on.

In high sec ganking a hulk is all about alpha.
This is not hard at all to do and is quite cheap to perform as well.

Fitting out a hulk with pure tank instead of cargo and mining related modules means they need to bring one more destroyer.

Adding 2000 shield and 1000 armor, plus a full tank means they need to bring 2 more destroyers.

Bringing security means that there's more people there to watch you alpha down that hulk.

The security cannot engage you without you engaging their fleet first. Therefore, they won't have time to stop you from aplh'ing down the hulk. the only way they can potentially stop it is by ganking the aggressors first. However, this only helps the aggressors because they can then hit one shot on you and get concord's killmail, and then still have their ships to be able to gank the hulk.
So security is pointless in high sec, because you can't engage the aggressors first.

More tank on the hulk is also pointless because their price leaves a wide open gap between their cost and the cost of ships to gank them. Right now, it can easily be done with 2 destroyers add tank and pure tanking modules. Well, you can put 10 destroyers on that hulk and still have a massive difference in price loss.

So my suggestion is to actually go a different path. Perhaps slightly increase the tank of the hulk, but also, greatly reduce the mineral costs of exhumers. to the point where they costs about 100 mil isk.

if you don't do it this way, then the only other way to do it is to give them so much tank that ganking them would require the same or more isk in ships than what you would be destroying.

Basically, what I'm saying is the only way to stop high sec ganking at the rate to which it exists is to make it cost just as much to take down a hulk as the hulk itself costs.

People do it because it's easy and much cheaper than the cost of the ship they're destroying. Change that and you fix the problem... Now, if they gank a hulk it's because they really wanted him dead and not because they could do it easily with much less isk costs.