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30K Online :: 300K Subs ???
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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-04-19 20:03:46 UTC
Most palyer log in for about 4 hours a day.

so if you see 30k on at a time, that means about 240,000 players logged in that day. Or did you expect everyone is logged in 24/7 everyday?

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Makkz
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#22 - 2012-04-19 20:08:59 UTC
CCP did a break down a few years ago, there peak time for people online isn't US evening but eurozone evening.

US might be the most represented country but the other major countries represented in EVE (UK/Russia/Germany/France/Spain) all pretty much share the same time, ie late Russian evening through to early UK evening.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-04-19 20:11:30 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Hya Bam wrote:

The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.



That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.




I agree.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-19 20:15:06 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Hya Bam wrote:

The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.



That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.



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Plato Idari
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#25 - 2012-04-19 20:24:57 UTC
Imagine the average player is only logged on for 4 hours per day. Yes there are some bots that mine 23/7 and some players who play for 12 hours a day but there are also a large number of players who play for only 2 hours per day or just log on to update their skill queues.

So 4 hours per day average.

From what I've seen the server population almost never drops below 20k these days with daily peaks above 40k, I've seen it above 50k around weekend peaks.

If we just look at that 20k minimum with the assumed average of 4 hours per day, in order to sustain that population for 23 hours we would need to have 23/4*20,000 = 115000 active accounts.

If we were to eyeball 25k 23/4*25,000 = 143750

Similarly in order to sustain 50k we would need 23/4*20000 = 287500 accounts.

Now I've pulled the 4 hour per day kind of out of the air. But before we explore that one can see how sensetive to that value this is if we try 3 or 5.


23/3*25000 = 191667
23/5*25000 = 115000

So lets see if we can get more accurate numbers:

If you look here http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility you will find that the true average seems to fall somewhere between 24,000 and 36,000, lets take that to be say 30,000k.

Now lets assume the 300000 published active subscirbers number is accurate and try to calculate the average time that a subscriber plays eve per day.

30000 / 300000 * 23 = 2.3 hours

Thats lower than my initial guess of course, but doesn't seem unreasonable. So I would claim the 300,000 subscribers number is by extension also not unreasonable.
Samuel payne Thorstensen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-19 20:25:57 UTC
The reason EVE has few players it that the game only have the fanbase it has, if you know what im saying. EVE is not a game that will be as popular as other mmo's, it is just not appealing for "casuals". Only some. I have tried to invite several friends to this game, but they all have barely done a few days of the trial and just given up - but other mmo's they play, sw:tor, wow etc - but EVE not at all. I, who dislike other mmo's except star trek online - like EVE online. And it's sad so few give EVE a chance - though i was lucky from the start, i knew people playing - and i guess that is really what you need to do, if you come into EVE online all alone, the game is boring. I guess EVE will die eventually, we just need to delay that as much as possible.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#27 - 2012-04-19 20:31:02 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.

'Nuff said.


Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised.


Lol, learn to read EULA's.

If you find an ISP that's bound legally to always be on let me know.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#28 - 2012-04-19 20:36:28 UTC
Many people just log in briefly to change skills. If it were not for the nature of the skill system, with people keeping accounts subbed just to have them training, EVE would have many less subscribers.

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J Kunjeh
#29 - 2012-04-19 21:04:42 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Wow.

You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.



A city full of anti-social douchebags...yeah, right, like RL=Eve or something...

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-04-19 21:24:47 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?

It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.

Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)

What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?


What percentage of your week do you spend logged into EVE?

If you spend 17 hours a week on EVE, then 30k/300k is exactly what you'd expect to see, right?


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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#31 - 2012-04-19 21:40:50 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?

It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.

Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)

What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?

It is because you are playing on the European server. The Asian and American servers have roughly the same amount of people on them too. Each of the three servers has around 100k subs at anytime. That is where the 300k number comes from.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-19 22:21:57 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Wow.

You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.



Cause most of them are AFK botting out in the suburbs.
Adunh Slavy
#33 - 2012-04-19 22:55:23 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:


Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted.


Maybe I'm blind, where does that show the number of individual accounts that logged on in the past 24 hours?

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Holy One
Privat Party
#34 - 2012-04-19 23:05:05 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Because of Falcon.

:)
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#35 - 2012-04-19 23:21:18 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?

It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.

Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)

What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?

It is because you are playing on the European server. The Asian and American servers have roughly the same amount of people on them too. Each of the three servers has around 100k subs at anytime. That is where the 300k number comes from.

I dearly hope this is a troll...
FeAKz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-04-20 00:06:20 UTC
I don't understand why there is so much public concern about subscription numbers lately.
divanoo
Thirsty Beaver
#37 - 2012-04-20 00:11:13 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.

'Nuff said.


Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised.


You really are a special snowflake
Tom Aran
Virtual Democracy
#38 - 2012-04-20 00:12:35 UTC
FeAKz wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much public concern about subscription numbers lately.


with every new expansion coming people are watching them stats to see if it made any difference.


and then complain about ;)
Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#39 - 2012-04-20 00:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Logix42
According to the marketing guy David Reid the average play time session for Eve is 3 hours (see some Dust 514 video for source i forget which one) so 24 hours in a day, 24/3 = 8 play sessions. Don't know the average days per week maybe 5? The number of players online ranges from 20k to 50k on weekends, say an average of 30k.

Summary:
3 hour avg play session
24 hour day = 8 play sessions
30k avg online
8 * 30k = 240k for the day

If on average people login 5/7 days per week then on any given day only 5/7 of the total subs will be online

240k / (5/7) = 336k

There you go 336,000 subs..... of course this is all very rough math and full of estimates but I think its clear enough to see how 30k online can equal a lot more subs

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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-04-20 03:02:38 UTC
WoW has all 10,000,000 accounts on at the same time every day.

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