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Oh hush with your logic! He has a crusade and a dislike of Goons. Don't stand in his way or he'll bully you into submission with his words

Ahhh! Zombie thread!!! Where the hell is my shotgun???

So, if I record you telling a group of friends that you should go and attack all miners in Didoxie to kill them with my phone in plain sight and upload it to Youtube; I can have you accused of cyberbullying?

Awesome. Where do you live?

so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events?

Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation

dunno, CCP doesnt think so lol

All I was pointing out was that the "Mittani isnt at fault cause the Goons had free will and didnt have to choose to do what he said" argument was wrong lol

The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....

as for



We ARE talking about Goons
j/k lol

also true lol

But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders

(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too)

Hi Ai Shun o/ :)

Let us start with the basics. When someone writes something along the lines of "fixed your post for ya" it is usually with a tongue-in-cheek tone. You see, you wrote that you hope I never have to apologize for making a mistake. And the whole point of my post seemed to have escaped you. As a response I wrote (again, with a tongue-in-cheek tone) that mitten's apology was not sincere. This "fundamental dishonesty" you speak of, well, is fundamentally non-existent. If you still don't understand the concept feel free to let me know and I'll make another attempt at explaining it for you :).

Now on to the rest:


I would highly recommend you read The Mittani's apology. You'll take quick notice that his apology, and he makes no excuse about it, is for making some comments while heavily intoxicated, to the point of not remembering what he said. I had asked before some questions that you either seemed to have ignored or overlooked so I will simply ask again:


I would love to hear your input.


See, the thing is you don't need to be high on any moral ground to realize that making fun of a depressed human being contemplating suicide is inherently wrong. And again, his apology was for a drunken mistake. Even though he claims not to use inebreation as an excuse for his behavior, that is exactly what he did. You don't have to be a genius to realize that his apology does not extend to all events leading up to his intoxicated presentation on that day, but rather just the presentation of that day. Blurring real life with game obviously isn't an issue to him (and goons in general).

Feel free to defend him, his apology, and his actions to the bitter end. But do yourself a favor and stop spinning this like he's the victim in all this. Goons, company, and friends were sold by Alexander's most outstanding behavior long before all this happened, no matter what writings are on the wall. Their (goon) tears have already been shed and Mr. Gianturco's revenge is already brewing. So no one's being fooled. Just some advice.

agree the RP excuse is stupid as well then cause its a two sided coin here
The argument is only really stupid if claiming he's RPing in the video (which has been claimed since and by him in the EVE-Radio thing "I got home, dropped character..." saying that HE was RPing...

Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear.