Crime & Punishment

My answer will be related to high sec miner ganking. (A miner that gets blown up in low sec, null or WH space knows that he is mining in a high risk area so my answer will not apply to those cases).

I do not think that so many people hate high sec miners. It is just that the people that gank high sec miners tend to be very verbal about it on the forums. Specially when miners and PVEers complain about it here. I think to know the why, you need to understand the social profile of the individuals who tend to gank high sec miners in Eve.

High sec miner gankers usually are young adolescents (or in their heads they are still adolescents) who have been spoiled and overly protected by their parents (a guy like Alan in the movie Hangover 1 & 2 is a good example). They are used to get everything from them and strongly believe they can also get whatever they want from anyone they come in contact with. When they do not get what they ask for, they quickly get in rage mode and start yelling insults, breaking things and even in some cases, become violent. When playing MMOs, the only thing they can think of doing is to make someone else`s game a bad experience. They do not want to go after real PvPers because they know they will need to work harder to get out of the fight with a win, so they go straight for the easy kills. When their victims complain about it on the forums, all these big babies retaliate with insults of all sorts making it sound like: "I blowed you up because, this is what the game is all about and I had the right to do it". There is no right or wrong, no morality in these low life babies. They really think that their behavior and way of seeying things is the absolute truth of how things should be in MMOs.

The funiest part about these individuals is that they cry harder then the high sec miners do. When CCP makes it harder to gank, their tears literally fills the forums. And these tears are probably the most tasty of them all.

I wouldn't go as far as to say people hate miners as much as they like easy kills and taunting people. I don't hate miners but if I see one out of hi-sec I am going to kill him, simple as that. I will then do everything I can to grief him because I am a douche.

So many good points here reading through this as i am bored to death at the moment. and having spent time mining in Empire, low sec, 0.0 and Wormhole space. there is more risk in empire mining then anywhere else with the ganker/greifers because they are jealous and wish to show off their flacid e-penis on how small it is blowing up defenseless ships like the exhumers or barges to pad their KBs cause anything in low sec is too dangerous for them let alone anywhere else.

Remember them school days when the 6th grader would find some kid smaller then him and bully on the playground....then at high school find a freshman to bully when your a junior. then you get that awsome job and then Mr Bully meets his new boss and its that kid in grade school he bullied. congrats your life is becoming a living hell.

Another way to look at it is that they are spoiled and have no control over their life so they seek it out in a video game to make someone else life miserable.

Only you can become the better person if you try. if not be the villian and blow them up

Dumbass.

yes you are a douchebag. And according to those that really know you, you suck at life too.

When I was in the forces, there was a guy like you that used to pretend that he was cool and tuff by being a loud mouth and pissing a lot of people off. When I grabbed him by the neck and told him I was going to break is jaw, he right away pissed in is pants. That was the 1st and only time in my life that someone did that in front of me. When I see posts like yours, it makes me want to live that event again.

i dont hate miners if ppl want to mine then fine .. its the bots i hate
mining needs a total rework, ppl have been crying for this for years but ccp dont listern
if it wasnt for the *gankers* it would be totaly risk free in high sec
basic mining .. warp to belt, target roids, start mining lasers then head back to station when full or dump on hauler
and repeat. *i used to be a miner so i know
somthing that simple that can earn a shed load of isk in high sec is just asking to be exploited and abused
war dec's dont work in high sec so that only leaves ganking
some gank for profit others for lol's, then you get the few that thinks its leet pvp
eve is a broken sandbox play it as you will

Loaded language meaning nothing. I'm afraid you can't tack the word "terrorism" or any of its derivatives and call it an argument here. This isn't the US Congress.

If I suicide gank another miner, that's one less producer in a belt. That means that there is that much less material on the market to compete with mine. That then means that the prices of everything influenced by those materials is affected (to whatever degree. PVP is the act (or process, if you prefer) of getting a leg up on another player. I shot your miner and now my products are better off and yours are not. I have increase, you have a detriment. PVP

The way you phrased your post implies that gankers are "fake" or "in-game" wackos. Without that sort of implication the second half of the sentence about "real life wackos" would be a non sequitur.

I don't hate miners as a class of player at all. They mine the minerals that make my Hurricanes which allow me to rain death and destruction upon the good and righteous inhabitants of Eve.

What I do hate is the miners that CRY CRY CRY to CPP for immunity from any sort of unconsensual pvp and believe they are entitled to do their thing in complete peace in highsec. I don't care when they pour their tears out on me, mostly because the salty flavor and texture is pleasing to my palette. But when they go to the game developers and ask, nay, demand that they be able to be 100% safe at all times in highsec...that's where I draw my line. I think that is where most people draw their line too.

The unrelenting ganking and griefing is due to miners flapping their lips and acting like babies about nearly everything. EVE is game of risk, and if you can't live with it, there is the airlock. Feel free to jettison your flotsam out of it. Now if they mine, get ganked, and then say to themselves, "Oh well. This happens, and that's the risk I take when going out to mine in a ship with a paper thin tank," there'd be very little hate at all.

What those miners out there are experiencing is what we referred to as 'group punishment' in the military. You're paying the price for someone else who can't stop flapping their lips to the big bosses instead of taking there loss as a learning experience. You're paying because there are crybabies out there who want to transform this game into something it's antithetically against; riskless gaming. Eve does not suffer the weak or stupid. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

I hate to go on a diatribe about this, but those miners and anyone else that dies out there benefits the living. It drives the economy. Those are the people who build Hulks/Macks to replace those you lost, those who slurp up moon-goo in nullsec, and the other miners that where lucky enough to live that day. It drives up mineral prices enough because there is a lesser supply of them due to your death on the market. Supply and demand is the name of the game. EVE is a capitalistic venture, and should always be. It's the thirst for power, money, and the wailing of your enemies.

/soapbox