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Faction Warfare timer bug and occupancy warfare

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Dopified
Black Eagle5
#41 - 2012-04-19 20:22:21 UTC
Damar I am trying to say that what you did is shutting down the way the game is supposed to play. Your argument that a person in a plex and is exploiting dead space is not the same. A dead space does not close if the person is in it that is the way it is supposed to be but you are shutting the mechanics off and logging off. There is a difference and we took that to CCP and they made the decision that it was.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#42 - 2012-04-19 20:28:02 UTC
Dopified wrote:
Damar I am trying to say that what you did is shutting down the way the game is supposed to play. Your argument that a person in a plex and is exploiting dead space is not the same. A dead space does not close if the person is in it that is the way it is supposed to be but you are shutting the mechanics off and logging off. There is a difference and we took that to CCP and they made the decision that it was.


So intentionally preventing plex spawning is not an exploit, but if you manage to do it accidentally is.

Nice logic here.

CCP fixed 0.0 sanctums so those can respawn even if someone is in those, now there is same problem in FW. CCP never do anything properly.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#43 - 2012-04-19 20:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Val would have to be stupid to think that ccp would not check ip's. You would have to be stupid to think that is what he is doing.


Goes to show you have no clue how this bug actually operates...


If val was trying to bug the plex then where were his gallente toons in system? We both know hte plex in oicx were already bugged.

Im beginning to suspect you know less about bug than you think, or are being disingenuous.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#44 - 2012-04-19 20:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Dopified wrote:
Damar I am trying to say that what you did is shutting down the way the game is supposed to play. Your argument that a person in a plex and is exploiting dead space is not the same. A dead space does not close if the person is in it that is the way it is supposed to be but you are shutting the mechanics off and logging off. There is a difference and we took that to CCP and they made the decision that it was.


And i'm saying you are full of s.it since what your side did ACHIEVES ABSOLUTELY THE SAME RESULTS! It makes no difference how you remove the plexes as long as you do.

And Crosi, his alt was in system only briefly since it is needed only briefly. It also helps how he bragged in local about "me bugging another plex" when I had not been in system or online for over an hour and saying he petitions me.

And as for CCP loving gallente and you complain about plexes. I've tried some of that evil caldari missile/ecm spam and quess what, the ECM is almost completely gone. I've not actually had a single cycle to come at me. Meanwhile, gallente damps are still not suffering from diminishing retuns and are on the level they were years ago and just as frequent.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#45 - 2012-04-19 20:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Damar Rocarion wrote:

And Crosi, his alt was in system only briefly since it is needed only briefly. It also helps how he bragged in local about "me bugging another plex" when I had not been in system or online for over an hour and saying he petitions me.


Lets assume that he was not bugging the plex to frame you since it would be trivial for ccp to establish that it wasnt you, and just as trivial to see that the alt was on vals ip address assuming it was val.

Assuming also that you are smart enough to know this. Why would you kill these caldari alts and take a standings hit if val was bugging a system in caldari's favour and there was no way that ccp would suspect you for a second even if val was doing as you say and did petition you.

Assuming all this is pretty obvious, the only reason i can think of that you would take a standings hit and kill caldari alts is if you knew full well that val was trying to despawn plexes that you had already bugged earlier in the day.

That would make you a bold faced liar right now damar.
Dopified
Black Eagle5
#46 - 2012-04-19 20:53:34 UTC
I have to admit it is funny how you guys just twist things in little ways to try and make your point. BS "but if you manage to do it accidentally is" Damar did not do this by accident and no being in a dead space is not an exploit just like what you all did in villore remember. We to got the same message saying the game is operating as it is supposed to.

Damar. Not the same result. We had a player in the plex and like i said before i never used a cloaky it was combatable. This was not shutting down game mechanics and logging. If a person is in a dead space then the game mechanic says that the dead space remains open. You just shut off the mechanic totally and logged of. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#47 - 2012-04-19 21:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Assuming all this is pretty obvious, the only reason i can think of that you would take a standings hit and kill caldari alts is if you knew full well that val was trying to despawn plexes that you had already bugged earlier in the day.

That would make you a bold faced liar right now damar.


Sure, I visited them briefly to trigger full npc waves inside them, much like Black Onyx alts do for gallente plexes. But not with caldari alt on timer and when plex was still fresh (this does not bug the plex since the ghost time goes down with regular timer). And perhaps I shot those caldari alts just because they were starting to **** me off since ship killing is minimal loss and I can use my expendable and soon biomassed alt to do the podding, as god and buddy program intended.

And perhaps you could explain then why was major plex out of circulation when we were attacking Pavanakka on tuesday/wednesday. Oh right, you removed quite by accident and full without meaning to.
Dopified
Black Eagle5
#48 - 2012-04-19 21:03:11 UTC
Damar if you want to put our accounts in a dead space cloaked all day to prevent it from closing please do so it will make so many of us happy. If i do something you feel is wrong PETITION it and if ccp tells me to stop then I do so. You got told to stop and like a child are raging about it. I am sorry that CCP did not side with you this time but really get over it.

I am going to hate this until CCP fixes it because now when a plex gets bugged by an actual accident the other players will just leave knowing what they are doing to shut it down and that will not be petitionable. Sad Really this is Sad.
Dopified
Black Eagle5
#49 - 2012-04-19 21:04:42 UTC
Dopified wrote:
Damar if you want to put our accounts in a dead space cloaked all day to prevent it from closing please do so it will make so many of us happy. If i do something you feel is wrong PETITION it and if ccp tells me to stop then I do so. You got told to stop and like a child are raging about it. I am sorry that CCP did not side with you this time but really get over it.

I am going to hate this until CCP fixes it because now when a plex gets bugged by an actual accident the other players will just leave knowing what they are doing to shut it down and that will not be petitionable. Sad Really this is Sad.



SORRY MENT TO SAY "YOUR accounts"
Heredom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-04-19 22:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Heredom
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Heredom wrote:
Name calling, conspiracy theorization, biasing accusations and what-so will lead to nowhere.

Fact is that there is a bug, and it has been heavily used by some players that can't see themselves in disavantage and counter it with group work and strategy. If you (any of you, from whatever faction) got caught or not is also not the issue. Just live with it.


Just whine that it's only Caldari doing it, come on, I know you want to and that's what you hint there. Because your side persistently maintains the bullshit that they have never done anything wrong. (Agoze, Pavanakka, Aivonen to name but a few), not to mention Chatgris and co. constantly using "lets have the timer run down by itself" bug. You might wish that nobody remembers events from 1-2 year away but I do.


And where you read me whining, kiddo? Jeez...
Go back to "text interpretation" class first, please.
Ease up. This is a game, have fun with it. If it bothers some people or makes them altered , stop playing it, or go mine, explore WH, null sec corp, many options.
Have fun

Done, signature edited with perfection!...

Miht Virtaq
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-04-19 23:11:50 UTC
*sigh*

Just fix the issue CCP and feel free to contact any active Plexer if there are any doubts about whats what (sure as hell must be hard to understand from reading this topic I'd imagine...).

Until you do fix it, this is the type of thing we have to deal with daily. This thread is nothing compared to the local drama/banter and past posts.
Ranger B
Black Onyx Society
#52 - 2012-04-20 00:24:03 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
snip the usual drivel and temper tantrums by the boy who plays Damar.


Awe, you're mad!

As was summed up perfectly before by Bad Messenger himself: "If you don't like it, write CCP."

Trololol.
GM Zerat
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2012-04-20 03:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: GM Zerat
This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.

Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.

The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.

Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.
Miht Virtaq
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-04-20 03:46:45 UTC
GM Zerat wrote:
This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.

Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.

The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.

Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.



Thank you very much for your response.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#55 - 2012-04-20 03:53:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
GM Zerat wrote:
This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.


So it only took CCP couple of YEARS to pay attention to the timer bug despite it being reported multiple times. Way to go. I quess your froggie overlords did get scared by the existence of the bug now when it mattered.

But it's good thing you have at least clarified it but to anyone with historical knowledge of FW, it also continues GM/CCP track record of taking action only when Gallente side deems it is working against them. It must be annoying to you that despite your best efforts, Caldari militia refuses to die down.
Miht Virtaq
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-04-20 04:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Miht Virtaq
Damar Rocarion wrote:
GM Zerat wrote:
This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.


So it only took CCP couple of YEARS to pay attention to the timer bug despite it being reported multiple times. Way to go. I quess your froggie overlords did get scared by the existence of the bug now when it mattered.

But it's good thing you have at least clarified it but to anyone with historical knowledge of FW, it also continues GM/CCP track record of taking action only when Gallente side deems it is working against them. It must be annoying to you that despite your best efforts, Caldari militia refuses to die down.


I'm not even going to try to point out how what you did compared to what sometimes happens when we have fights in plexes is different nor I'm going to try to show you that just because one or two people did something that you thought was morally wrong or was indeed an exploit, accidently or not, somehow justifies you abusing the system on purpose and gloat about it while assuming you are immune to the rules. No it's no use arguing about that with you.

However, insulting CCP and the GM team by somehow implying we control them or they favor us in any way in a public forum while you have been warned already is just plain stupid.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#57 - 2012-04-20 05:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Miht Virtaq wrote:
However, insulting CCP and the GM team by somehow implying we control them or they favor us in any way in a public forum while you have been warned already is just plain stupid.


Two of the most obvious examples of bias:

Situation: Gallente whines about not being able to retake systems after Caldari initially takes them.

Reason: No-one from the sizable Gallente EU crowd can be arsed to hit systems so US tz crowds work is easily undone.

CCP solution: CCP makes hostile sov spawn TON of plexes every downtime meaning that retaining occupancy becomes more or less impossible.

End result: Gallentes get their way since they can now "casually" take part in occupancy war instead of the month long grinds it used to take. Worst example of this was "Dominion Debacle" when multiple server reboots result in Old Man Star flipping in couple of hours despite for the past months being Caldari occupied by PERVS almost 23/7

Situation: Gallente whine about evil overpowered Caldari NPC and their ECM.

Reason: Attempting to take the plex in ship which is mainly designed to tank incoming damage and not to kill the NPC rats with drones, fof's, etc.

CCP solution: More or less remove ECM from caldari rats (I have random gurista belt rats jamming me more frequently than a full spawn inside a caldari plex).

End result: Caldari NPC's tactical aspect removed and possibility of smaller ship engaging larger one succesfully largely eliminated. Gallente NPC damps still retain their effectiveness on same level since start of FW and all rats can (and will) damp. Most drastic example is of three npc elite cruisers reducing Drakes lock range to 7km.

There are more but those two should prove without shadow of a doubt that CCP does indeed favor gallente.
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
#58 - 2012-04-20 07:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithril Ryder
Damar tears, glorious glorious Damar tears. And he did this all to himself, so they are FREE Damar tears. That's better then Free Pizza.

On a serious note,
Damar, you stated your intention to exploit, stated how you were going to do it, did it, got caught and petitioned. It doesn't matter if someone else is doing the same thing, what you did is still against the EULA and wrong. Anyone else doing the *exact same thing* is just as wrong. Anyone talking, no, bragging about doing it, and bringing up such a deranged reasoning for doing so would be just as dumb as you.

You ignore everything that does not fit your world view, and you rationalize whatever you need to so that events fit into your world view. Carried to the extreme that you show in game would be a sign of mental illness if a person had the same behavior in real life. You are one of the best and most consistent eve roll-players I have seen.

I just hope you don't take the game and your persona so seriously you burn out and leave, because as much as I disagree with your in game behavior and persona, you are an inspiration to eve roll-players server-wide.

Edit: accidentally a word
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#59 - 2012-04-20 07:46:38 UTC
This thread has devolved into personal attacks and bickering faster than a two dollar hooker can wolf down a sausage. Big smile
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
#60 - 2012-04-20 08:15:12 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
This thread has devolved into personal attacks and bickering faster than a two dollar hooker can wolf down a sausage. Big smile


First, you can't devolve into something when said thing started that way.

Two, there's technically no such thing as "devolving", unless you get time-travel into the mix.