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Why doesn't Dr. Eyjolfur post on the Market Forums?

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Matrix Operator
#1 - 2012-04-19 17:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Matrix Operator
We know your out there watching us...Shocked...Smile

Why don't you let us see your presence from time to time and participate in the discussions? A lot of the other devs do. Eve's marketeers would like to hear from Eve's chief economist every now and again.Cool

Smile
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-19 17:57:16 UTC
He doesn't play EVE so he is rather clueless about everything that goes on so he has nothing useful to add.
He can't even do his normal job anywhere near on time so if he gets distracted by the forums he'll never publish a qen ever again.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#3 - 2012-04-19 18:20:46 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
He doesn't play EVE so he is rather clueless about everything that goes on so he has nothing useful to add.
He can't even do his normal job anywhere near on time so if he gets distracted by the forums he'll never publish a qen ever again.


Wow. That was a whole lot of disgruntleness... way to set the tone Scrooge McScroogeton.

Guess this is why Dr. E doesn't post.Straight
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#4 - 2012-04-19 18:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
YuuKnow wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
He doesn't play EVE so he is rather clueless about everything that goes on so he has nothing useful to add.
He can't even do his normal job anywhere near on time so if he gets distracted by the forums he'll never publish a qen ever again.


Wow. That was a whole lot of disgruntleness... way to set the tone Scrooge McScroogeton.

Guess this is why Dr. E doesn't post.Straight


He's right though. He really does know even less about Eve and its markets and economy than the average poster in MD.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-04-19 18:46:11 UTC
because if he wants incredibly stupid theories about how the market works based on complete misunderstandings of everything he's got all the other ccp employees right there, he doesn't need to stop by here too for more
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#6 - 2012-04-19 19:09:26 UTC
Plenty of people in MD to talk serious markets and economy. They have been a bit silent lately, maybe because people like the good doctor, or any other dev, seem to not give a serpentis rats arse about markets and economy..

I am as disgruntled as the above posters, but I would be fast to change my opinion if I was proven wrong..

Well this lack of interest in seriosu business trails all the way back to TTi and the days pre highway nerf, and the sudden limitation to market orders. Regardless of the reasoning, I find that if ccp will fix lag and server issues for everyone else, I dont see why they cant do the same for economy in the game.

Personally the shooty bang bang is not that impressive, compared to other games, its the p2p production, and markets that sets EVE appart from the other kids on the block. Getting praise in RL business news and having an economist hired specifically to work with ingame finance, that wont engage with the player base is just a bit sad..

Here is for hoping he will drop by and give voice and share ideas with this little corner of the game..

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#7 - 2012-04-19 19:11:17 UTC
Caleb Ayrania wrote:
I am as disgruntled as the above posters, but I would be fast to change my opinion if I was proven wrong..


I've never seen anything come from him to prove that he knows what he's doing.

Case in point: Dyspro/prom nerfs leading to the rise of Technetium.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#8 - 2012-04-19 19:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
We know from the economic presentation video's he does read MD.

However I think perhaps he prefers the role of detached academic observer .
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#9 - 2012-04-19 19:32:42 UTC
Personally i think he's one of us.

Just my two cents ;-)
Adunh Slavy
#10 - 2012-04-19 19:52:09 UTC
Our supply of BS likely out paces his demand to participate in it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Liberty Eternal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-19 20:24:46 UTC
Because he only has one idea - pump more money into the system. It's called Keynesianism. You and me can't understand it, we haven't spent long enough in academia.
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-04-19 20:27:48 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
Because he only has one idea - pump more money into the system. It's called Keynesianism. You and me can't understand it, we haven't spent long enough in academia.


shut up libertarian you're even worse than the eve economist is
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2012-04-19 21:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Callduron
I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.

I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced.

I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/

I post on reddit as /u/callduron.

Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-04-20 00:53:00 UTC
Callduron wrote:
I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.

I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced.

see why on earth wouldn't the economist want this sort of brilliant insight
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#15 - 2012-04-20 02:18:36 UTC
Callduron wrote:
I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.

I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced.


look how dumb you are

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Claire Voyant
#16 - 2012-04-20 03:10:46 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
Because he only has one idea - pump more money into the system. It's called Keynesianism. You and me can't understand it, we haven't spent long enough in academia.

Dr. E has many faults, but this is not one of them. He has been extremely consistent of the years pushing his two big ideas: 1) increasing isk sinks and reducing isk faucets, and 2) blowing stuff up. The problem is that he has been too hands-off on the rest of the economy because he wants to be laissez faire and doesn't realize that it is everything else that CCP does that screws things up. He should be more proactive and creative and work with the other devs and find ways to make the economy more dynamic and player driven instead of just letting them play god by replacing one bottleneck with another.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#17 - 2012-04-20 05:28:34 UTC
I blame the good Doctor for the fact that I have stopped being a serious part of conversations in this forum and now spend most of my time leaving "amusing" comments and/or outright trolling.

Seriously, F that guy!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-04-20 07:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Dr. Eyijo is not a developer nor a game designer.
He's not super-duper top brass in the company, therefore his advices have just that much priority.

He has the most complex economy of any game to handle and this despite the various CCP developers screwing up with such economy all the time. Examples: bugs like the moon goo exploit patched after years, the reprocessable POS fiasco, introduction of drone poo, crappy incursions implementation, aggressive PLEX politics.

EvE is still standing on its feet despite all of this, which could have easily crushed any other MMO economy (usually every MMO economy crumbles after the first expansion).

As for the QEN etc, it was nice to see but in the end the various "CPI" and other "indicators" are as useful as they are in RL: they are made to "tip" and drive retail traders and smaller facilities without money to pay intern fundamental analysts into whatever.
Plus certain data were less than cool to share, i.e. how the same ships were consistently and totally predominant for years (lack of rebalance) and it'd be embarassing enough to share the actual inflaction drive we see every day.

Edit:

what would you actually *want* for him to say or ask for?

You can't ask him to have better market UI implemented as it's not in his powers to do so.
You can't ask him to share any data we don't already know, as it'd affect the market.
You can't ask him about inflation and stuff, as it's the game designers who implement inflation driving stuff and all he can do is to try and hedge it with counter-mechanics that the designers themselves can easily refuse (i.e. increase taxes).
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#19 - 2012-04-20 07:44:11 UTC
Matrix Operator wrote:
We know your out there watching us...Shocked...Smile

Why don't you let us see your presence from time to time and participate in the discussions? A lot of the other devs do. Eve's marketeers would like to hear from Eve's chief economist every now and again.Cool

Smile
You've seen Iceland's economy right?
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
#20 - 2012-04-20 08:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Javeroux
Dr. EVE is currently busy with training the market xperts for the upcoming Dust514. Also his last whereabouts is Shanghai.

Besides that, he has no reason to dwell or chat in the forums.
He's the so called "Gray Cradinal", the power behind the throne on EVE economics and market, so there's bunch of lackeys to do the public communication on his behalf Big smile
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