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[Proposal] Advanced Cloaking Skill
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#1 - 2012-04-11 20:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Xorv
Advanced Cloaking: Science Skill Int/Mem X8

Requirements: Cloaking V

Effects: Reduces Targeting recalibration delay after decloaking on ships with Cov-Ops cloaks by 1 second per level. Except on Bombers which get 1 second reduction in cloaking reactivation delay per level instead.

Goal: Make Cov Ops ships better ambushers, there's no need for the 5-6 second targeting delay on CovOps Frigs and Recons. Give a reason to train Cloaking V, more specialized training for players to do.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-11 21:11:54 UTC
Hmm, instalocking Arazu with 60km point and 0-1s targeting delay. Methinks this could be abused.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-11 21:44:22 UTC
Its bad enough we get cloaky whiners and ####er's all over hell....now you wana BUFF the cloaking device.


I sense a bad bad omen over this thread.


Not Supporting.


*Runs like hell*

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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#4 - 2012-04-11 22:19:20 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Hmm, instalocking Arazu with 60km point and 0-1s targeting delay. Methinks this could be abused.


Why would that be an issue and say warp bubbles on gates not be an issue? You can't see what's on the other side of the gate anymore than you can see a cloaked Arazu, The bubble instantly stops you warping unless your in a nullified T3 or something.


Drake,

Whiners will whine regardless, There's players that just hate any form of stealth mechanics, and players that hate any form of non consensual PvP... or even the potential threat of it. AFK Cloak whiners often display characteristics indicating both. Who cares what they think, they don't belong in a game like this to begin with.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2012-04-11 23:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Xorv wrote:
mxzf wrote:
Hmm, instalocking Arazu with 60km point and 0-1s targeting delay. Methinks this could be abused.


Why would that be an issue and say warp bubbles on gates not be an issue? You can't see what's on the other side of the gate anymore than you can see a cloaked Arazu, The bubble instantly stops you warping unless your in a nullified T3 or something.


A bubble is static and doesn't follow you back through the gate while you are attempting to escape. Bubbles don't stalk you while you are flying through a system. Cloaked Arazus can't be D-scanned from a distance and avoided. Bubbles don't employ debilitating Ewar and shoot you.

edit: outside of Black ops ships, cloaking-specialized ships are more or less balanced as they are (IMO of course). No need to tamper with them.
Not Supported.

How did you Veterans start?
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#6 - 2012-04-12 00:08:08 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:


A bubble is static and doesn't follow you back through the gate while you are attempting to escape. Bubbles don't stalk you while you are flying through a system. Cloaked Arazus can't be D-scanned from a distance and avoided. Bubbles don't employ debilitating Ewar and shoot you.


Deployable Warp Disruptor Bubbles can't follow you through a gate, but an Interdictor or HiC can, unless just like the Arazu they've already aggressed. You can't DScan the other side of a gate, and all the debilitating ewar plus so much more can be deployed alongside a deployed warp bubble. So, as I stated there isn't anything to be abused as mxzf suggested that does not already exist in gate camps. So I ask again why are gate camps ok but an Arazu with no targeting recalibration after uncloaking not ok?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-04-12 00:09:58 UTC
Xorv wrote:


Drake,

Whiners will whine regardless, There's players that just hate any form of stealth mechanics, and players that hate any form of non consensual PvP... or even the potential threat of it. AFK Cloak whiners often display characteristics indicating both. Who cares what they think, they don't belong in a game like this to begin with.



Ok...you have me there...and admitedly the idea isn't terrible....just might not be favored as far as mechanics are concerned.

I'll keep an eye on this thread to see what people say for now. Cool

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2012-04-12 03:26:33 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Deployable Warp Disruptor Bubbles can't follow you through a gate, but an Interdictor or HiC can, unless just like the Arazu they've already aggressed.

As soon as the HIC/DIC deploys a bubble it becomes aggroed. So no, it can't follow you through the gate. Bubbles also do not disable MWDs or make you go slower (unless a web is applied).

Xorv wrote:
You can't DScan the other side of a gate, and all the debilitating ewar plus so much more can be deployed alongside a deployed warp bubble.

Yes, but a mobile bubble NEEDS people. Otherwise it's useless. Even a solo HIC or DIC is pretty much useless by itself and can be outrun by almost any ship while using its point, save for battleships.

How did you Veterans start?
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#9 - 2012-04-12 04:42:10 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

As soon as the HIC/DIC deploys a bubble it becomes aggroed. So no, it can't follow you through the gate. Bubbles also do not disable MWDs or make you go slower (unless a web is applied).


Same applies to the Arazu if it puts a point on someone. If it's disabling someones MWD it isn't from 40km away.

ShahFluffers wrote:

Yes, but a mobile bubble NEEDS people. Otherwise it's useless. Even a solo HIC or DIC is pretty much useless by itself and can be outrun by almost any ship while using its point, save for battleships.


The Arazu needs a person as well, and as a Force Recon isn't exactly a powerful ship alone either.

Anyway, my key point still stands, possibility of suddenly being unable to flee by warping away already exists with gate camps as you cannot see what's at the other side of the gate. So, that cannot alone be a reason to reject the idea, unless your also being consistent and address the gate camp scenario.
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#10 - 2012-04-13 13:30:21 UTC
Unsupported. Cloaking is already too overpowered.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-13 13:41:27 UTC
Gonna have to go with the crowd and say no to this one. Cloaking needs to be balanced out properly before any more crap is added to it.

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#12 - 2012-04-14 00:27:16 UTC
Little overpowered I think. The victim needs a chance to react and escape for simple balance reasons. That said, cutting the time by 0.5s per lvl would be reasonable. It would still keep a 2 second delay on top of the already lowish scan res of recons.

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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#13 - 2012-04-14 08:52:06 UTC
Thanks for your comments.

I still find it curious that a number of you view this as over powered, but somehow existing mechanics of gatecamps is considered ok. Unless some of you actually do also think Gate mechanics should be changed so that players always have a chance to escape when they jump into a system?
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#14 - 2012-04-14 09:49:11 UTC
I want advanced decloaking ship and skills against the afk cloakers.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-15 10:13:49 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
I want advanced decloaking ship and skills against the afk cloakers.


I want to sell you Reading and Comprehension for 2 ISK to help you learn to read.

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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#16 - 2012-04-17 06:20:32 UTC
no

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#17 - 2012-04-17 18:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger's Spirit
Drake Draconis wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
I want advanced decloaking ship and skills against the afk cloakers.


I want to sell you Reading and Comprehension for 2 ISK to help you learn to read.



You need eat antitroll drug, for free your troll soul, because you dont understood irony.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-17 18:45:40 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
I want advanced decloaking ship and skills against the afk cloakers.


I want to sell you Reading and Comprehension for 2 ISK to help you learn to read.



You need eat antitroll drug, for free your troll soul, because you dont understood irony.



Again you fail at reading. But I suspect your not capable of it anymore. Oh well.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-04-19 16:11:01 UTC
lol cloaky frigs are already fine ambushers, just uncloak six seconds before coming out of warp
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2012-04-19 17:06:58 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
*Runs like hell*


You're doing it wrong. Go make some popcorn, this should be fun.

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