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Singularity on Mac

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Mark Androcius
#21 - 2012-04-19 12:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Tippia wrote:
Such as?


How about Offering an open platform, that you can modify and use any way you want to, with any OS you fancy
Allowing you to change broken parts, without having to send the whole computer to the menders
How about ( if you're not technical enough to fix your own computer ) not being told to buy a new mac, if all you need is a new hard-drive or some new memory
How about being able to change your monitor, if the current size doesn't suit you anymore
How about not complaining that people "steal" sh*t from you, even though you admit ( Steve's biography ) to doing this yourself

I could go on, but i don't really feel the need to, give a handful of people a 1 hour brainstorm sessions though, and they will come up with a whole lot


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On another note, i quit my last job, because they decided to switch to mac
If you can't comprehend why, try looking at this for example
200 new pc's cost 200 x 600 euro's ( average price ) = 120.000 euro's
200 new mac's cost 200 x 1300 euro's ( which was the exact price of the mac's in question ) = 260.000 euro's
And I'm sure you're comparing apples to apples here, right?[/quote

21.5-inch iMa
Core i5 2.5GH
Starting at $119
2.7 GHZ version $1499 = about 1330 euro'

ALTERNATE Mercurius P20
2.8 GHZ Core i
649 Euro'

Of course, granted, this does not include a monitor, but we already had those ( which is another nice thing about pc's


btw, Alternate is a Dutch computer firm that builds custom desktop and laptop computers, down to customer spec ( you know, the kind of service you don't really get from an Apple )
Mark Androcius
#22 - 2012-04-19 12:59:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
but Dell's prices are almost as obscene in that segment


That word just says it all, obscene.
I build my own pc, so should any decent company, involved in computer applications.
Serene Repose
#23 - 2012-04-19 14:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Mark Androcius wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Statisticians use statistics much like a drunk uses a lamppost; more for propping themselves up than for illumination.


Count the amount of people that work in that sector, add up all their salary's, divide by amount of people, get average salary.
What's wrong with that?

Okay...you've got one four-star chef, one high-end corporate tax lawyer (who also owns the restaurant)...two dishwashers...four waitresses and a cab driver...you're saying you can get a useable figure from that? The "average" income. You should come run as a Republican for president. They love that kind of math.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2012-04-19 14:53:04 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
How about Offering an open platform, that you can modify and use any way you want to, with any OS you fancy
Allowing you to change broken parts, without having to send the whole computer to the menders
You can do both of those, although the latter may be a bit limited depending on availability of parts that fits the slimmed-down chassis of some of the more integrated models.
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How about ( if you're not technical enough to fix your own computer ) not being told to buy a new mac, if all you need is a new hard-drive or some new memory
Good thing you're not told that with Macs either.
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How about being able to change, if the current size doesn't suit you anymore
Change what?
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How about not complaining that people "steal" sh*t from you, even though you admit ( Steve's biography ) to doing this yourself
No, the question is what can you do with PCs that you can't do with Macs. If you want to talk about leading figures, Bill did the same thing, after all, so we're getting awfully close to those glass houses here.

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I could go on
You really need to because you haven't come up with much so far.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-04-19 14:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mark Androcius wrote:
That word just says it all, obscene.
I build my own pc, so should any decent company, involved in computer applications.
Yeah, most companies disagree since it's not worth the hassle compared to buy them ready-made in bulk with a juicy service contract attached.

And, as mentioned, the obscenity is industry-wide (which probably has a lot to do with the target audience for the machines in question).
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Of course, granted, this does not include a monitor
So that's a “no” then, and the computer name itself came up with zero hits on google so a comparison is rendered quite difficult.
Mark Androcius
#26 - 2012-04-20 17:39:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
and the computer name itself came up with zero hits on google so a comparison is rendered quite difficult.


http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/PC_Complete_Systemen_Thuisgebruik/ALTERNATE/Mercurius_P200/615157/?tn=BUILDERS&l1=PC-Systemen&l2=Thuisgebruik

Yeah, it's in dutch, but the price tag and the specs are not that hard to spot
Mark Androcius
#27 - 2012-04-20 17:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Tippia wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
How about Offering an open platform, that you can modify and use any way you want to, with any OS you fancy
Allowing you to change broken parts, without having to send the whole computer to the menders
You can do both of those, although the latter may be a bit limited depending on availability of parts that fits the slimmed-down chassis of some of the more integrated models..


True, but why buy a mac, if you're gonna install Windows or Linux on it?
Also, the other way around is illegal, according to the Apple EULA ( installing OSx on a PC ).

However, my main argument against Apple, is the fact that, if they were to be the biggest computer company in the world ( bigger then Microsoft based PC's ), everything would be sealed in and ready to use the way they want you to, not the other way around.

Steve Jobs said so himself ( although i can't remember which interview it was ), since when do people know what they want...
While that might be true for most, it's certainly not true for me, i want a damn Amiga.
das licht
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-20 17:54:31 UTC
Mac is jail!
You will realise it after a few years of usage. Hopefully.
Psichotic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-24 09:59:39 UTC
Macs cost more than PCs because they are, generally speaking, better machines. That is not an opinion, it's a fact that I know not from articles or people telling me, but from my own experience. I have done computer support since 1993. That is almost 20 years of seeing what works and what does not. You get what you pay for. That is just as true for cars, homes, education and medical care as it is for computing.

While there is currently one widespread virus for the Mac, there isn't enough space in this forum to list all the viruses for Windows. More to the point, you can secure a Mac against said exploit whereas there is no way you can secure a Windows installation against the massive number of viruses that have been and are being written for it on a daily basis. Even using Windows update and updating your virus defs everyday will not truly protect you. Again, I know this because I have cleaned many hundreds of OS installations. I would say at least 95% of Windows installations used on a daily basis to access the Internet are infected with malware. Thus, if you are reading this on a PC, someone other than you most likely has backdoor access to your machine right now. Personally, I would not, and in fact do not, expose myself to that kind of risk.

PC hardware is also much more prone to failure because Apple uses better quality components than most PC manufacturers. It also produces the OS specifically to run on the hardware it sells, so in effect produces an entire system as opposed to a component of a system designed to be compatible with the other components of the entire system, thus guaranteeing hardware/software compatibility. More importantly for the average consumer is the fact that you can walk into an Apple store and have your computer fixed properly. That is well worth the extra cost in the long run.

I have 3 PCs and 3 Macs. I use the Macs for my daily work not because I have some weird affection for Apple (Apple is actually a terrible company to work for and there are more reasons to dislike them than most companies), but because I have been working with computers since 1993 and they are unquestionably better tools for the tasks I need to accomplish.

There is no video game worth compromising my critical data or the ability for me to do my job. If Eve didn't run on a Mac I simply wouldn't play it.
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