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Burn Jita, burn CCP (some necessary clarifications)

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1 - 2012-04-19 13:07:00 UTC
(Original thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1154744#post1154744 )

As the thread has been locked, will just take this chance to clarify some points.

@ Malcanis: CONCORD spawns are capped in a per-system basis. Once CONCORD spawns, they will keep patrolling the grid until they despawn some 15 to 25 minutes later.

IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn.

This is how you can break havoc on (say) Jita 4-4, while CONCORD is busy elsewhere. It's not magic or a conspiracy, it's (lousy) game mechanics.

Of course, this way to prevent OCNCORD retaliation can become tricky if CCP chooses to rise the spawn limit for Jita. But CCP won't do that unless they have a reason to. If people begins petitioning why nobody concordokkened the goons who just blew them in Jita, that may become a reason to ensure that the appropiate spawns happen.

That's not against the rules, so it's fair use. Action A haves consequence B, consequence B doesn't happens, petitioning "why" is a legitimate use of the petition system.

@ CCP Sptifire: i am not asking people to abuse the report system. I am just stating that petitioning why didn't CONCORD spawn is a legitimate use of the petition system (all in all, it COULD be a node glitch), and so I suggest people to do exactly that if, and only IF, for some unknown reason somebody blows them in Jita and CONCORD doesn't spawns to blow the agressor.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-19 13:12:25 UTC
If you want something to be done about Jita invasion you must go there with your ship guns and ammo and deal with it.
Geoscape
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-19 13:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Geoscape
I am pretty sure i have seen videos where a lot more than 10 concord spawns are seen.

Edit:Greatest concord fleet ever assembled
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4 - 2012-04-19 13:17:03 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
If you want something to be done about Jita invasion you must go there with your ship guns and ammo and deal with it.



I am more interested about finding lasting solutions to issues, rather than cope with them each few weeks.
EFF ONEF1
Caldari Grand Prix Engineering
#5 - 2012-04-19 13:27:56 UTC
i thought spawning them like that was an "exploit"

?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-19 13:48:13 UTC
So they locked your thread, and you just make a new thread?


Ok, that makes sense.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#7 - 2012-04-19 14:52:01 UTC
Xython wrote:
So they locked your thread, and you just make a new thread?


Ok, that makes sense.


SHE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!! RAH!

:/
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#8 - 2012-04-19 15:08:54 UTC
This 'Jita Burn' or whatever it is so over-hyped , you would think Don King, himself, was promoting it.

Wow, so you can't get into or undock in Jita for (MAYBE) one whole day.

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-04-19 15:09:10 UTC
concord spawns move you idiot

nothing you've posted here is correct or we'd have been abusing it for years until it was fixed
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-04-19 15:10:40 UTC
in fact, proper ganking relies on moving spawns

holy hell you're dumb
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-19 15:11:50 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
If you want something to be done about Jita invasion you must go there with your ship guns and ammo and deal with it.



I am more interested about finding lasting solutions to issues, rather than cope with them each few weeks.



There is no issue at all than those you impose to yourself.

Solutions? -easy: just move some where else for a couple weeks if you don't want to fight.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-04-19 15:16:01 UTC
gonna drop a little knowledge here about how concord actually works

concord does not exist in a system until it is "spawned": someone commits a criminal act. concord is spawned on the grid a certain number of seconds later, depending on system sec (you get longer in a .5 than a .9)

if concord is already spawned, and not busy killing someone, it will move that spawn rather than make a new one: after the proper amount of seconds it will warp from its current location to the new aggressor (this is how you move spawns). If there are multiple concord spawns, the closest one moves.

If all spawns are busy, a new one is spawned - this occurs when multiple people gank at once

alll spawns persist until downtime

so yeah, Indahmawar Fazmarai should probably biomass her character in shame and never darken these forums again with her badposting
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-04-19 15:17:02 UTC
'burn ccp' (but i'm not suggesting petition spam oh heavens no!) might be the worst defense i have ever seen
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#14 - 2012-04-19 15:20:48 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
This 'Jita Burn' or whatever it is so over-hyped , you would think Don King, himself, was promoting it.

Wow, so you can't get into or undock in Jita for (MAYBE) one whole day.
In my day you couldn't get into or undock in Jita any day.

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Whitehound
#15 - 2012-04-19 15:23:24 UTC
We do not need to burn CCP when we have the nice Mr. Hilmar! 20% of CCP got fired not to long ago iirc. Those who remain can ask themselves why they did not get fired. Is it because they got lucky, because they did the right thing or because their colleagues think they cannot handle it?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-19 15:24:12 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
'burn ccp' (but i'm not suggesting petition spam oh heavens no!) might be the worst defense i have ever seen



Your wrecks should drop something special like "Scammed isk" and concord would give a fixed amount of lp's from the faction you're hated (all? hehe)

We would just drop tears with no value to build snowballs Lol
D3F4ULT
#17 - 2012-04-19 15:39:57 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
blah blah blah blah... spewing **** everywhere.. blarg.


Holy shi! a video game where I can literally do what the hell I want? Like causing mayhem upon a trading hub that will alter actual in game economy?

AWESOME!

Oh look, a care bear. Upset and crying. Delicious tears.

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#18 - 2012-04-19 15:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn.

THAT is the most interesting thing I've read in the forums in months. I didn't know that. I wonder if it's true.

/gears turning...

...wonder what it is for normal highsec systems.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-04-19 15:50:22 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn.

THAT is the most interesting thing I've read in the forums in months. I didn't know that.

/gears turning...

...wonder what it is for normal highsec systems.

you didn't know that because it's a product of indahmawar's diseased mind and not reflective of reality at all, go test it and see
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#20 - 2012-04-19 15:53:06 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn.

THAT is the most interesting thing I've read in the forums in months. I didn't know that.

/gears turning...

...wonder what it is for normal highsec systems.

you didn't know that because it's a product of indahmawar's diseased mind and not reflective of reality at all, go test it and see

I like to get other people to test things... heh.

But yah it does sound fishy because why wouldn't goons be all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake if it were? Still if there is ANY limit to the number of CONCORD spawns that's news to me.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
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