Warfare & Tactics

ITT: we forget that cloaked ships do not show on d-scan; we therefore don't think that anyone in null will change their ships or their tactics after local is removed.

If we could harness get the reliability of "lol, just spam dscan, htfu", I bet we could generate electricity with it.

What is the deciding factor as to when this delay takes effect?

Ive been here all day. You jus showed up 5 minutes ago. Does it immediatly show me in local even though to your client i just arrived?

What happens if you dont spend a whole 5 minutes in system giving the delay a chance to see you?

If local was to be delayed would you be against a way to scan out cloaky ships?

What happens when your traveling a pipe and we know your comming because our scouts are 5 jumps out and have already detected you due to you showing in local 5 minutes after you have left?

If i have cloaky eyes on the gate you come in does it not make a gate activation animation?

And how about when you decloak to cloak and warp off. Do i not see you?

The 5 minute delay idea is nice. As long as you cant aggress for the five minutes that your invisible to me and the rest of my mates in system.


Does this delay have any true way of actually working for you or me? The same can be said for a wh as well. Just because we dont see anyone in local does not mean no on eis there.Do you think you are the only one being sneaky? We had cloaky eyes on the WH and seen you come in. The people not implementing scouts should be scrammed jammed and podded. Delay local 5 minutes and people will jus have alts 5 jumps out. No matter what we know that you know that your comming in and we knew it before you got to the second gate after the initial 5 minutes...

Leave local alone. Stop being a cloaky gaf.

Were not the ones cryng for a way to suprize buttseckz people. Are we.

And your the gankbear that wants the game to be changed to suit your sneaky ways of forcing pvp onto hapless carebears. Kinda my point as well.

F5 F5 F5 he may reply.

Why do all these 1337 dullsec warriors sound exactly the same as the worst over-entitled hisec crybears?

Don't answer, the question was rhetorical.

The issue I have isn't with finding fights, if you can't find a fight in null you're an idiot, my issue is with risk.

Namely the fact that a lot of null sec isn't really very dangerous, it requires a bit more logistics to live there but that is it. And JFs and carriers make that logistics issue vanish instantly anyway.

Simply, I waslnt null sec to eventually be buffed for PvE. In order for that the happen, it needs to return to being a pain to run null logistics and free Intel needs to go.

Sorry, I was referencing the OP. I should have quoted him in that post.

I agree though, null is much less scary than people think it is.

Fair enough to be honest, I'll go through your questions from earlier and answer with how I feel delayed local would work. I'd also like to point out that I stand by my comment, cascade imminent, like a lot of other alliances, does not really form defense fleets. It just tells renters or ratters to dock up. Similarly I've never seen cascade bait an AFK cloaker into hot dropping, or otherwise ever engage a party roaming through.

(With the exception of DVS cloak, who obsessively hounds every single AFK cloaker who so much as considers cloaking up in H74. Or 77s8, wherever it is you're living now.)

Although bear in my mind I'm not particularly of the opinion that delayed local is the best solution, I do however happen to think it is the best solution that has been suggested so far in any of these threads.


The most common suggestion is that local is delayed both for the new member to the system and for the occupants. Also worth noting most people don't want a 5 minute delay, personally I believe if delayed local were to be used it should be closer to a 30 second delay.

30 seconds is enough time to jump in, analyse and warp an AF/ceptor to a sanctum, but it is short enough that fleets cannot hope to pass through multiple systems without appearing on intel channels.


Then you don't appear.


If local was delayed, and roaming gangs became viable again, then I would be fine with that. I believe CCP already have something in their database that would allow you to do this, the scanner array.

*EDIT: I'd be ok with that purely on the premise that it didn't break regular cloaking. For example if someone wants to warp off and cloak their super capital long enough to regain capacitor after hot dropping, so be it. Such a mechanic, in my honest opinion, should exist purely as a means of stopping a single non-active player from tying up systems.


Then you dock up, get safe, and we get blue balled. If, however, we are clever and log off a scout at some point in an adjacent system or your ratting system then you will not have very much warning at all. Once a scout has logged in and come out of his emergency warp he could bridge in a gang or try to analyse and tackle something himself.

Again, with a 30 second delay you'd have some warning from that kind of log-on trap, especially given the emergency warp. But it would even the playing field considerably.

FWIW, PVP-fit ships are unprofitable targets. Fights are fun and all, but we've all gotta make our isk somewhere. I prefer to do so by looting shiny wrecks.

Really, it's an economic service. I'm an isk sink.

TYVM for putting it in a way that didn't sound cockish. I completely endorse this product. And apologize for any inconvenience i may have caused.