Warfare & Tactics

And btw what defines an "industrialist"?

I've built a stockpile of hundreds of cruisers and battlecruisers in anticipation of Inferno, more is in the cooker all the time. From BPOs I've researched (in lowsec before I figured I could do it in our POS, btw, the queues are shorter there), now even mining minerals and recycling loot as the supply is currently poor and prices high. I harvest gas. I've collected a big pile of salvage, decryptors and Incognito tool thingies for rig manufacturing and invention later.

I enjoy all these things in addition to blowing up spaceships, because I can. It's a sandbox.

The ganker faces consequences every time, he loses his ship, gets a security status hit and you receive kill rights. Whether or not you use your legal right is up to you.

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There is some loot and some salvage from what the ship was fitted with. Most gankers are doing it for tears and to upset other people. A lot of them take joy in the suffering of others.

I've been thinking about this lately. In EvE I recently became a miner. At this point I can spare time for that, I cannot commit to something more - like null sec. However I am a very competitive player, even if I am not competing in any kind of PvP in EvE, at this point. So it really baffles me when someone comes to me and wants to kill my Retriever, that could last a few shots tops. How is that logical? And what does that say for the player doing it? To me, as someone who has been PvP-ing and playing on a very high level in quite a few online games, this is not PvP. This is what happens when sad people are trying to make other people sad. Now I'm a new player in Eve, I've invested some Isk on a BC, then some on this Retriever which has an expensive fit(for my in game finances). Then some sad person comes and destroys my humble investment in this Retriever. He's not doing any sort of PvP by doing so, because I do not pose any kind of threat. My ship is not armed and cannot be defended. I'm just there doing what I've decided to do.

The big issue is, that there are no consequences. Losing a silly frigate is not a consequence. It's a laughable loss. Now if someone was to come in RL to my work place and punch me in the face, do you think, that this person will face no consequences to this act of aggression towards me? You bet your ass he will. There will be severe consequences ranging from me punching him back, to me suing the guy.

See the thing is, most people feel safe behind their computers. And this brings out their real self. The one that's full of sh*t. And because they can't spew their sh*t in RL, they do it in game, and claim it to be PvP. It is not. It is no different than RL griefing. A game is a game, but when you are involved with other people, there should be boundaries to what you can do and consequences when you cross them. As simple as that.

How many will come and destroy my little Retriever to make their little penises feel good, if say they became an outlaw in all of High Sec and are shot on sight by Concord for a longer period of time? Why not? I lose a lot when I lose a huge investment, they lose nothing. I risk a lot going out to mine, they risk nothing. Generally most people are idiots and this is why good behavior is enforced in RL and should be enforced in Eve, the same way it's enforced in every other MMO.

By the way, by calling ganking high sec mining ships PvP, you really insult yourself.

And whats essentially wrong with non-consensual pvp in high sec? It is well within the rights of anyone to do so... And if you have a problem with people who do it for fun, then you misunderstand what a 'game' is.