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New Dev Blog: Ewareness for DeBuff-alo Soldiers

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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#161 - 2012-04-18 21:02:07 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Were you ever scrambled or affected by ewar and tried desperately to find the pilot(s) providing you with that much virtual ewar love so that you can return the favour with deadly missiles, drones or gunfire? Did you ever fail to spread your love due to icons being very small in the overview?

Then rejoice and read this devblog by CCP karkur and learn more about the first version of the new effects bar, released in the upcoming Escalation!


Great Idea and work! Rejoicing!
Siphaanu
Human Remains Incorporated
#162 - 2012-04-18 21:12:27 UTC
Does it work in the following way?

Hover over icon, determine aggressors - both name and ship. (check)
Right click icon, ctrl-click the one you want to target (as per hotkey settings) - again the whole thing should display both name and ship.

If it works that way, I'll find it useful and will be very happy about the feature, else I'll stick with small icons on overview.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-04-18 21:26:34 UTC
"And if you want to attack them back, just right click the icon, find the dude you hate the most in the list and target him or her back!"

Would it be possible to have a broadcast target to this menu? So we can broadcast the target for the whole fleet/current wing we are in?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2012-04-18 21:37:47 UTC
also whats up with the old time bar? why isn't it a circle timer around the icons?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#165 - 2012-04-18 21:39:47 UTC
Awesome work CCP Karkur and Team 5-0!!

as always people will be a bit stubborn on the whole menu's and UI element of this, and with time it will fit when u guys refine it more and more.

Pallidum Treponema wrote:
This is awesome, but where can I see the debuffs on the targets?

EWAR in fleet fights have historically been pretty insignificant, due to the scale of things. With small gangs, it's easy to coordinate ECM/tracking disruption etc, but in fleet fights it's near impossible.

Being able to see what debuffs a locked target has would be a HUGE buff to ewar in fleetfights, and in a smaller sense in small gangs as well. It'd also let a well coordinated gang outperform a less coordinated gang, by allowing people to spread points, ECM, tracking disruption and sensor dampening among the hostiles.

Can we PLEASE get debuff displays on targets soon? ;)


5-0 and Karkur we REALLY REALLY need this!! we already get notifications on scram and warp disruption, our clients already display target painting and webbing etc... BUT, and this is a rediculously huuuuge but, in the fury and chaos of a fleet fight, we dont have the time to manually check all of these things etc...

now with the ewar bar, you can technically remove the hostile ewar notifications off the overview. how about replacing that mechanic with one that shows friendly ewar against overview contacts, say with a green ring around the icon to denote friendly ewar on target.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#166 - 2012-04-18 21:43:16 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Awesome work CCP Karkur and Team 5-0!!

as always people will be a bit stubborn on the whole menu's and UI element of this, and with time it will fit when u guys refine it more and more.

Pallidum Treponema wrote:
This is awesome, but where can I see the debuffs on the targets?

EWAR in fleet fights have historically been pretty insignificant, due to the scale of things. With small gangs, it's easy to coordinate ECM/tracking disruption etc, but in fleet fights it's near impossible.

Being able to see what debuffs a locked target has would be a HUGE buff to ewar in fleetfights, and in a smaller sense in small gangs as well. It'd also let a well coordinated gang outperform a less coordinated gang, by allowing people to spread points, ECM, tracking disruption and sensor dampening among the hostiles.

Can we PLEASE get debuff displays on targets soon? ;)


5-0 and Karkur we REALLY REALLY need this!! we already get notifications on scram and warp disruption, our clients already display target painting and webbing etc... BUT, and this is a rediculously huuuuge but, in the fury and chaos of a fleet fight, we dont have the time to manually check all of these things etc...

now with the ewar bar, you can technically remove the hostile ewar notifications off the overview. how about replacing that mechanic with one that shows friendly ewar against overview contacts, say with a green ring around the icon to denote friendly ewar on target.


Wow, that's a really well thought out idea. +1

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Daedalus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-04-18 22:01:15 UTC
Suggestion: If you hold ctrl and click on one of the icons, you target all of the offenders (up to as many as your ship can handle of course). That would be awesome to have.
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#168 - 2012-04-18 22:29:59 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:

Wow, that's a really well thought out idea. +1


thanks bro! anyway wanted to amend it cause i used the term 'friendly' waaaaay to loosely!

having all contacts on your overview showing friendly ewar being used on them would be bad cause itd put undue stress on the need to send data to and from other servers crunching standings data etc...

best to limit only to fleet. So icons on the overview contacts will have a pink circle round them denoting someone in your fleet is applying ewar/ecm onto that contact.

i wouldnt put multiplier numbers on them so if a contact is being scram'd by 10 guys, just the warp jammer icon appears, no X10 next to it etc...

we dont want to have it tooo easy!
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#169 - 2012-04-18 22:38:50 UTC
Awesome CCP Big smile
Decus Daga
Unfit for Duty
#170 - 2012-04-18 22:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Decus Daga
Look great, question though, when jammed by drones is it going to link the drone, or the owner of said drone?
Sinooko
Tharumec
Gespenster Kompanie
#171 - 2012-04-18 22:57:45 UTC
Win!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#172 - 2012-04-18 23:23:15 UTC
Would it be possible to control click on the ewar icon and lock the first person in the list?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Sturmwolke
#173 - 2012-04-18 23:25:35 UTC
Nice one.

What about these (below), will they show a status icon?
I'm hoping they would.


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Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#174 - 2012-04-18 23:37:48 UTC
All I have to say is this: Iteration. **** yeah!
BoodaBooda
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#175 - 2012-04-18 23:49:52 UTC
Looks good, but I really want to know why that arbitrary and confusing time bar hasn't been changed. Can the icons have a glowing circle around them so we can see duration, or maybe have smaller vertical time bars extending out of the top of each status effect?

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#176 - 2012-04-18 23:54:35 UTC
BoodaBooda wrote:
Looks good, but I really want to know why that arbitrary and confusing time bar hasn't been changed. Can the icons have a glowing circle around them so we can see duration, or maybe have smaller vertical time bars extending out of the top of each status effect?
Adding the timers to the icons would have been a bigger task and would have taken longer to implement, and we didn't really have the time to do that now.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2012-04-18 23:57:38 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
BoodaBooda wrote:
Looks good, but I really want to know why that arbitrary and confusing time bar hasn't been changed. Can the icons have a glowing circle around them so we can see duration, or maybe have smaller vertical time bars extending out of the top of each status effect?
Adding the timers to the icons would have been a bigger task and would have taken longer to implement, and we didn't really have the time to do that now.


well don't let this thing stay in the game for 3 plus years before making it better this time.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#178 - 2012-04-18 23:58:00 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Would it be possible to have a broadcast target to this menu? So we can broadcast the target for the whole fleet/current wing we are in?
Broadcast target is in the menu if you are in a fleet... my character was just not in a fleet when I made the screenshots Smile

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#179 - 2012-04-19 00:03:35 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
CCP karkur

Can you please find out if the effects bar can be moved independently of the main mod/capicator HUD?
The Effects bar is a part of the HUD, and can't be moved from it (at least not the way it's now).

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-04-19 00:13:10 UTC
A suggestion: allow me to control-click an effect icon to lock whoever is doing it. Alot faster than dealing with the menu.

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