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Please, do not forget to remove tier for Mining Barges in your balancing project !

Few exemples of role for Mining barges
* The Procurer could be the "Industrial" Mining Barge (low yield, high cargohold but less than a rigged Hulk of course)
* The Retriever could be the "Combat" Mining barge (medium yield, good EHP, low cargo)
* The Covetor remains the T1 mining barge of choice, the "Mining Ship T1" (high yield, medium cargo)

Few exemples of role for industrials
* Wreathe the "attack" industrial (very fast and agile, low cargo)
* Hoarder the "support" industrial (bonus with shield transfer, energy transfer, bonus with scanner, etc, medium cargo) could be use to support mining barge in belt or even in a combat fleet. (The battlebadger can be used as reference for "support" Industrial).
* Mammoth the "combat" industrial (good tank, high cargo)

About the survability of Exhumers and Mining Barges, I think a little buff in EHP could be nice to compensate the increase of ganking capability introduced with Crucible (-> Destroyer).

[Proposal]
What a mining barge need is an active tank especially in 0.0 and not a super buffer to protect them from Gankers.
Using Deadspace Shield booster should not be mandatory. So, they need a buff to their capacitor and more PG even if it might open the door for a LSE II. That could be the way to provide them more EHP. Balance between Tank or Yield will be limited by the CPU.
A full tank "Combat" retriever able to survive in a 0.0 belt against NPC should be the reference. The Hulk will be the better version, more expansive but with a better yield.

[edit] Btw more PG is also the ability to fit a Propulsion mod instead of a Tank

Nope, not supported, Mining Barges are working as intended. Simple, don't AFK mine, dummy. If you see red in your overview, GTFO.

Not supported sorry.



If anything:

• Rorqual becomes the 'Mining Barge';
• and all previous Mining Barges become 'Exhumers'.

Read the subject (Reminder means reminder)

CCP want to get rid of tier, they have to work on all ships Mining Barge, Industrial included.

Sure Mining Barge work as intented.
Who fly a Procurer (aka tier1 Mining Barge) ?
Who fly tier 1-2 Frigate and Cruiser again ?
Who fly a tier 1 Industrial again ?

What is important is to apply the same balancing philosophy to all ships in EvE.

The truth : I really don't give a **** of what CCP will do to balance ships. I really don't care about my own proposal. It is just funny to see the immediate NO i was expecting.

Do you realise that CCP might change all the ships we know in this process ?

First off...I'm not your friend Mr. nooblet carebear.

Secondly...I'm not laughing anymore....you have serious issues.

Thirdly: Don't give a #### what CCP will do? Well gee golly whiz... Guess thats /thread! CCP will change what is necessary and I'm pretty damn sure it will have nothing to do with you.

Let me rephrase

CCP will make mistake when balancing ships and I don't care because they are taking the right direction. We will see a lot of iteration before the release of the extension (in winter probably). A Nooblet carebear like me will have nothing to say about it and i won't. I will gladly accept all the change, good or bad.

If I post in the Assembly Hall, it is because I want to draw attention on Industrial and Mining barges as spaceships.
No one pay attention to them in term of balance because they are not combat ships.

Many voices are coming from the highest noble forum spacefighter, rejecting anything related to industry. Internet spaceship is a serious business and Industrial and Mining barges are spaceships.

EvE is a living creature.
PVP is the body.
ISK is the blood.
Industry is the heart.