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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#21 - 2012-04-18 16:10:12 UTC
DonHel wrote:


I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time


Not that I've seen, either in the Fan Fest broadcasts or the follow-up dev blogs / interviews.

What was removed was the issue where after undocking, you could web a freighter right after it started it's warp drive, in a way that prevent it from being able to either stop, or warp off.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2012-04-18 16:11:07 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If I want to warp faster I could just have someone else web me though.


How does that work?



Webbing a fleeted Freighter slows down (changes) the "Max Speed" of the Freighter to a speed that is SLOWER than the Freighter is ALREADY moving. Freighter instantly enters warp.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2012-04-18 16:12:46 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
DonHel wrote:


I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time


Not that I've seen, either in the Fan Fest broadcasts or the follow-up dev blogs / interviews.

What was removed was the issue where after undocking, you could web a freighter right after it started it's warp drive, in a way that prevent it from being able to either stop, or warp off.



Indeed it mathematically slowed them to a negative speed, so they could not enter Warp, OR Dock due to being already in 'pre-warp'.

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-18 16:13:16 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Because the fenrir has better agility than the charon.

Better agility means you enter warp faster. I assume the faster traveling speed makes up for having less cargo.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#25 - 2012-04-18 16:16:46 UTC
This was a problem years ago. Capital Ship Assembly arrays used to be 900K M3 packed and you needed to get freighter to 5 to put one in a Fenrir or Provi. It was quicker to train Charon to 4 than train Fenrir to 5 so they changed Cap ship assembly to 850 packed.

As people point out, Fenrir aligns to 75% faster and that makes it a good high sec freighter. Once you take them out of High sec, use them to move capital parts and use webs to push them, Charon difference can cut maybe a load off to setting up a Super Carrier build.

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Mark Androcius
#26 - 2012-04-18 16:18:39 UTC
I have 2 uses for it though.
Main use is to get the most in and out of WH space ( pos, battleship, pos fuel, some modules for the pos and other small stuff and the the minerals outwards )
The second use, is to haul the stuff to the most profitable place, that is not to far away ( usually that's Jita ).

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2012-04-18 18:56:35 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:

The second use, is to haul the stuff to the most profitable place, that is not to far away ( usually that's Jita ).


Welp, THAT's about to be interrupted for a bit. P

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Mark Androcius
#28 - 2012-04-18 19:05:10 UTC
Krixtal wrote:
Welp, THAT's about to be interrupted for a bit. P


Well, i haven't chosen a system right smack in the middle of Jita and Dodi for nothing ;)

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-04-18 19:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
DonHel wrote:


I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time



It's not an Exploit, it's a Mechanic.

And just WHERE did you read this ? Doubtful this is being looked at, as they are more concerned with true exploits like the Boomerang.

you are talking about different things

webbing freighter so it warps faster - perfectly ok

webbing freighter so it doesn't warp at all yet cannot cancel warp - exploit

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Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#30 - 2012-04-18 19:13:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Thank the GODS this thread is about Freighters.

Not too much room for argument here. Smile

We can debate fits...

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2012-04-18 19:18:34 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
you are talking about different things

webbing freighter so it warps faster - perfectly ok

webbing freighter so it doesn't warp at all yet cannot cancel warp - exploit


We know this. There is no confusion. You misread what was typed.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2012-04-18 19:19:07 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Thank the GODS this thread is about Freighters.

Not too much room for argument here. Smile

We can debate fits...


Wouldn't THAT be the ultimate troll !

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DonHel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-18 21:53:38 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
DonHel wrote:


I want to say I read somewhere they are working on getting rid of the web exploit for frieghtor,, pretty hard to get rid of though something that's built in to the fundamentals of eves ship workings for a long time


Not that I've seen, either in the Fan Fest broadcasts or the follow-up dev blogs / interviews.

What was removed was the issue where after undocking, you could web a freighter right after it started it's warp drive, in a way that prevent it from being able to either stop, or warp off.



ahh I see, so I misunderstood. thanks for clarifying
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-19 12:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
non judgement wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
I suspect the Fenrir has better defenses or something.

Edit: herp derp wrong ship


Warps faster too, it's the faster of them all.

That's odd, I thought they all warped at 0.75au/s.

Edit: Those few seconds difference while waiting to reach warp can really add up over time. If I want to warp faster I could just have someone else web me though.



+agillity = +speed = warps faster or get in warp faster if you really want to play with words or have hard time understanding my very bad English writing ...

So? Roll
Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
#35 - 2012-04-19 14:09:54 UTC
I wonder how fast and how much time I would save with a full set of Nomad implants and a Fenrir/Nomad.

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RAP ACTION HERO
#36 - 2012-04-19 14:23:40 UTC
and it looks cool

vitoc erryday
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#37 - 2012-04-19 14:27:03 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:

And for the suicide gankers, you have mates for that, spider tanking works brilliantly.


how do you spider tank a volley from 12 tornados?

you just don't, you get destroyed.
Mark Androcius
#38 - 2012-04-19 15:13:32 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
how do you spider tank a volley from 12 tornados?

you just don't, you get destroyed.


Uhm, a volley of 12 tornados? what? how big are the odds of that happening in faction space?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2012-04-19 16:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Mark Androcius wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
how do you spider tank a volley from 12 tornados?

you just don't, you get destroyed.


Uhm, a volley of 12 tornados? what? how big are the odds of that happening in faction space?


Try it and see. Twisted

They used to use 8 - 10 Apocs. This is much cheaper.

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Mark Androcius
#40 - 2012-04-19 17:43:57 UTC
So.... you guys are effectively telling me, that 12 guys ( or 1 guy with 12 accounts, or 2 guys with..........) would be so lifeless, that they would sit around a high-sec stargate in a t3 BC, hoping for a freighter to pass through?

Seriously though, i have never ever ever ever ever witnessed anything like that.

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