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Player and NPC Corp Shares. (another old horse)
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Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#1 - 2012-04-17 17:16:10 UTC
Dear MD

I would like to reopen this very old horse, and ask what MD would suggest to make this a feature somehow.

Without focusing on all the advanced stock exchange jargon. One thing that was agreed upon the many times it was discussed is that all types of this system could be exploited, so its much like MD activites already "Caveat Emptor"..

So how would this potentially work for npc shares, and how easy or hard should it be for players to get their corp shares made tradable?

If we got access to the contracts database outside game client could we have a more streamlined third party exchange running?

Ideas and comments about pros and cons from all the tried and still semi active projects would be nice.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#2 - 2012-04-17 20:06:31 UTC
How do you prevent Pump & Dump?

Answer that, and then it's worth having a discussion.
Adunh Slavy
#3 - 2012-04-17 20:20:25 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
How do you prevent Pump & Dump?

Answer that, and then it's worth having a discussion.



Lots of data.

Shares out standing, shares owned by corp, largest ten holders and their individual history with regards to the shares, how widely held, Price history, dividend history. None of this prevents a scam. it does however show history and allows the buyer to make some decisions based on a number of factors.

Are you going to invest in shares that have an IPO price of one million ISK to a 2 day older player? How about a 3 year old player that has been paying a dividend once a month for the past year, and those shares are 20,000 ISK and over 4,000 players also own shares? 1 month old player selling shares for 1 ISK?


As for NPC corps and their shares. They could just pay dividends based on their revenues of fees and what not. "Taxes" would go to the sink as they are "the state" if you will.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#4 - 2012-04-18 18:29:31 UTC
Its not the mechanics and ccps responsibility to protect players..

If by pump and dump you refer to junk or scam shares..

Things like that exist in real life..
On all scales..

ENRON.. nuff said..

We still need the mechanics for those corps that would use them in a more "serious" way.. Even though I invite the scams, its such an integral part of EVE. I just dont think it should be as "mechanics" oriented as it is now..

Kira Vanachura
Green Visstick High
#5 - 2012-04-18 18:59:09 UTC
I'm much more interested in making player corporations shares worthwile. Lets start simple and allow us to trade shares through contracts. Without a decent means of exchanging shares, shares are not going to get traded. And it adds another (small) isk sink as well.
Doggfather san
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-04-19 02:55:58 UTC
i agree with the poster above.

give us the opportunity to trade shares via contracts.

my corp sells shares to the public as well as to its members. so far the transactions have gone smoothly but im sure some fool is bound to come along who will want to steal our stuff.

check out our investors section on our website. i would suggest all corps do something similar and hopefully even better than us, once we have shares on contracts

http://420enterprises.com