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Tengu as a blockade runner

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Liz Arran
Night Hawks Riders
#1 - 2012-02-29 17:41:19 UTC
How effective is a tengu as a blockade runner compared to the T2 haulers. And whats the best fit for the tengu?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-29 17:46:14 UTC
It works fine. It has a smaller cargo hold but can be immune to bubbles (which is a big perk in nullsec).

As to the fit, Covops offensive sub, covops cloak, Interdiction Nullifier prop sub, lows either agility or cargo room, mids and highs whatever you feel like. It's really not that complex a concept.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2012-02-29 22:42:52 UTC
Though it is my probe ship, I also use it for going through 0.0 from wherever the wormhole opens, and for moving billions worth of BPO from ORE stations to hisec.

[Tengu, Prober]
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Photon Scattering Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Jadzia Narys
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-29 23:23:46 UTC
Tengu could fill this role fairly decently however the cargohold would be fairly limited. My thoughts are you will most likely be nullified (because this is where a tengu would shine for hauling) which generally takes away 1-2 lows slots, which you could use for expanded cargohold II. In addition, another reason to use a tengu over blockade runner is the align time, which is best augmented with and inertia stablizer, which again would take low slots.

IMO if you are interested in a T3 for hauling, due to fast align time and nullifier, perhaps look into a Proteus, which has more lows than a tengu, this allowing you to fit those precious expanded cargoholds and inertia stabilizer mods.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#5 - 2012-02-29 23:39:20 UTC
Jadzia Narys wrote:
IMO if you are interested in a T3 for hauling, due to fast align time and nullifier, perhaps look into a Proteus, which has more lows than a tengu, this allowing you to fit those precious expanded cargoholds and inertia stabilizer mods.


Basically this, was going to respond before to this thread with something similar. All T3's can do what you're asking, but some do it better than others.
drdxie
#6 - 2012-02-29 23:47:51 UTC
At work so don't have fit, but interdiction null, covert recon, 100mn ab, warp core stabs in the lows smallish passive tank, think it was about 50k ehp and some launchers. Warp core stabs will mess with targeting, but the idea is not to stick around and fight. Haven't been caught yet, even in a bubble with abandoned drones, think its called a spiked bubble.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#7 - 2012-02-29 23:57:11 UTC
drdxie wrote:
At work so don't have fit, but interdiction null, covert recon, 100mn ab, warp core stabs in the lows smallish passive tank, think it was about 50k ehp and some launchers. Warp core stabs will mess with targeting, but the idea is not to stick around and fight. Haven't been caught yet, even in a bubble with abandoned drones, think its called a spiked bubble.


Thoughts on using FOF for this type of setup? Since I assume if you are going to activate or be harassed the person you'd attack is likely the closest anyways?

Not that its likely you'll stick around long enough to kill something anyway I guess...
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-03-01 01:55:52 UTC
Like drdxie and others I use a T3 to haul low-volume high value loads thru nullsec and w-space. I tend to use loki or tengu but others may prefer others.

The critical elements of my fit are:
- covops cloak and the subsystem to support it;
- interdiction nullifier;
- dual prop (10MNs, although comment above re 100MN AB is noted);
- 2 warp core stabilisers.

Other slots I fit, depending on my mood, with cap rechargers, jammers, nanos, and cargo expanders.

My main use for this ship is very small high value cargo (sleeper stuff, BPOs etc) so the lows are usually setup for GTFO rather than cargohold volume. Compared to a blockade runner the main features are that she carries much less volume but isn't messed-up by bubbles.

Tank and / or weapons?? I see no place for either on this ship. The cloak is my main defence and if anyone ever manages to get a target lock on me I figure that I am dead.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-01 03:56:58 UTC
I have played with both. Honestly I dont get that much more cargo out of a proteus. I do have a sweet Tengu Null hauler. Not only is it bubble immune it sports a 1100 DPS tank for the absolute oh **** moments. that plus prop hopefully should keep me alive should the worst happen.
Dieter Rams
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-17 11:02:58 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I have played with both. Honestly I dont get that much more cargo out of a proteus. I do have a sweet Tengu Null hauler. Not only is it bubble immune it sports a 1100 DPS tank for the absolute oh **** moments. that plus prop hopefully should keep me alive should the worst happen.


What is your fit?

Also, I'm kind of leaning towards the 100 MN AB instead of MWD because of the sig penalty, I can't fit an XL booster though.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-17 16:19:26 UTC
Dieter Rams wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I have played with both. Honestly I dont get that much more cargo out of a proteus. I do have a sweet Tengu Null hauler. Not only is it bubble immune it sports a 1100 DPS tank for the absolute oh **** moments. that plus prop hopefully should keep me alive should the worst happen.


What is your fit?

Also, I'm kind of leaning towards the 100 MN AB instead of MWD because of the sig penalty, I can't fit an XL booster though.


I will have to pull it up when I get home. But basically similar to what people have said. Nullified sub. Covert sub. Agility in the lows. Mids are a mwd XL booster invulnt cap booster or something like that. Only get about 50 sec of cap, but the hope is to have just enough time to get back to the gate and jump thru.

So far it's done about 150 null jumps and I haven't even been decloaked.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#12 - 2012-04-18 06:03:56 UTC
The only thing that is possibly a threat to a nullified T3 is a dedicated camp with R-sebos and cans/abandoned drones to decloak. The chance of a fleet not specifically set up to catch them doing so are so small that we often do not even try when one jumps into our roaming gangs.
Pychian Vanervi
Stamford Bridge Rest Home
#13 - 2012-04-18 12:36:49 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
The only thing that is possibly a threat to a nullified T3 is a dedicated camp with R-sebos and cans/abandoned drones to decloak. The chance of a fleet not specifically set up to catch them doing so are so small that we often do not even try when one jumps into our roaming gangs.


Which is why these ships need to be nerfed to all hell and back.... either cloak or Nullified, pick one and be happy! With both its eve in safe mode and that just aint cricket.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-18 13:09:19 UTC
Pychian Vanervi wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
The only thing that is possibly a threat to a nullified T3 is a dedicated camp with R-sebos and cans/abandoned drones to decloak. The chance of a fleet not specifically set up to catch them doing so are so small that we often do not even try when one jumps into our roaming gangs.


Which is why these ships need to be nerfed to all hell and back.... either cloak or Nullified, pick one and be happy! With both its eve in safe mode and that just aint cricket.


Really? In a cloaky nullified role T3's have essentially zero combat ability. and even maxed out a cloaky hauler tengu is only going to get about 1500m3 of cargo space, which is tiny compared to even a high risk fit blockade runner.

IMO these types of fits actually help out 0.0 space. Consider a player like myself, who would like to play out in 0.0 more, but I am nowhere near able to fly any caps yet (most of my 0.0 friends tell me a carrier is almost essential for personal travel around 0.0).

So a cloaky nullified setup gives me the ability as a relatively newer subcap player to actually get in and out of 0.0 space. Otherwise not only would it be more dangerous, but (more importantly) it would be far more annoyingly tedious. And that would likely make me not bother even trying out 0.0 space.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#15 - 2012-04-18 18:22:18 UTC
I do alot of missioning in npc nullsec and really it is the nullified t3 that makes it all work, I use both the legion and the tengu, I generally only haul blueprints and implants though, and just build everything out of the npc stations. My mission battleships would never have even been a target if it werent for these t3 hauling fits, so really I have more player interaction because of them, not less.

Also one hint, sometimes smartbombing battleship camps still exist, so a passive tank of some sort is really nice, in all my time though, only twice have I encountered such a camp in nullsec though (seems to only be popular in rancer these days).