EVE General Discussion

Thank God someone on this forum understands a little bit of game development in recent years.

Hell we have Bomberman, Joust, and other games on the PS3 that play identically to the original.

Completely avoids my point and are we forgetting the fact that CCP has full control over its servers and such by being connected to their database that run EVE?

Yeah that's ace and all but DUST will have constraints on PS4 based on PS3 capability no?

That's different to saying it's multiplatform.

At the moment you can run EVE on a baseline PC and go nuts after that with regards to grunt.

A PS3 will never be a PS4 so besides some eye candy the PS4 game will only ever be as good as the PS3 version.

For example, the PS4 might be able to do a 128 player map, but it will be 32 until they dump PS3.

If so, what's the point doing PS3?

Alright and I will implement my sarcasm.

CCP - "Lets make a console game, on a console that will last only about 4-6 years that only has a couple years left on its life span, and lets make it interact with our 9 year old game in a gameplay changing way.

Then, when the next console comes out, we say, 'damn... didn't see that coming'."


So I conclude with hurf a durf a dur. Doesn't take much logic to understand that the game will be upgraded to PS4 standards. Take a little time to make some correlations and quit poking at ******** statements such as, "omg no backwards comparability." Also, your statement about SOE is a complete logical fallacy.


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Who says they won't upgrade it? They've upgraded the engine for EVE, why not DUST 514? There's aboslutely nothing that is going to hold back this game from being upgraded for the PS4. SONY releases the dev kits needed to make games for the PS4 before the PS4 even comes out. Of course CCP is going to work on this, otherwise it would just be completely irrelevant to make this game coexist with EVE Online.

because obviously the free to play client you need to play dust will need to be backwards compatible so it can communicate with the server where the matches are taking place.

I can't believe how gullible you people are. It almost makes me want to be a scammer. Sony themselves have said on numerous occasions the PS4 will come out in 2016 at the earliest.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/307428/ps3-will-last-a-minimum-of-10-years-sony/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS

oh im sorry... Sony Computer Entertainment........... (extended pause)

I'm just glad it's not going to be released until late 2013. Gives them time to rethink using an X86 AMD CPU instead of a Cell processor. Powerful my arse. What do they think they're going to compute with that? A 'decent' AMD processor costs more than 2 PS3s and produces more heat under load than a toaster oven. Sounds pretty stupid to me unless they plan on putting a griddle on top. [:lol:

You might guess I'm not pro-AMD. I don't hate them; I'm just aware enough to recognize that they're both hampered by an inability to make a decent product and Intels reluctance to release manufacturing licences to patents on their x86-64 architecture. Between the two of those AMD doesn't have much of a chance

Other thoughts:

Why use an X86 instruction set

AMD CPUs consistently underperform when compared with Intel Processors of the same speed and number of cores while having much higher TDPs on average.

Cell Processors are expensive? I gather they are as they seem to think this method of manufacture will make PS3 cheaper

That controller might actually be pretty cool. At least you can rest it on your knee

I see problems in the future for Sony. Mass market recalls, faulty/cooked PS4s, stuff to make the RROD of XBox look like a cake walk. Also: stuttering frame rates, screen blink and freezes, hard drive corruption, and various other issues as well as surprisingly underwhelming sales. The minute most people hear AMD, they're going to go out and buy an XBox.

ATi GPU? That's fine I guess, but I wouldn't expect it to handle the load normally placed on the CPU if that is their intent here. That is the only thing I can really think of, given the CPU sure isn't going to handle it and still be affordable. Imagine trying to play BF3 on a laptop using AMD Fusion. These things are so slow they barely top 2 on the Windows Experience Index

Not having a bloated OS in the background might make a significant difference but I'm not sure it is enough

Maybe things will change? Maybe SCE guys are genius and can figure out a way to make a decent console using these parts. I mean, it's not like it is the same as a PC. They do layout the PCB and memory modules and effectively use the GPUs and CPUs as onboard devices. Maybe they will use more than one Fusion CPU. That might work

I'm going to be a bit hesitant about buying one and upgrading though I think. Say.. 2 years hesitant. I think if Dust is on PC by then I'll probably just drop the notion of getting a PS4 entirely, assuming I find I truly enjoy it and am still playing it at that point.

Noone is going to stop them from doing more advanced stuff that will get to the PS4 only.

Look back at EVE: Consider the PS3 the old DX7/8 client and the PS4 the new DX9 client. Both clients existed next to each other for quite some time. Similar thing will happen once they add stuff requiring DirectX 11 (e.g. Tesselation as seen at this year's Fanfest). They won't drop the DX9 client immediately. Both versions will coexist for a while.

Just due to porting the game to a better platform (no matter if it's a newer PC or the next generation of console games) doesn't mean you'll lose compatibility if you change too many things. E.g. the PS4 version could feature additional effects, higher polygon counts, better textures, etc. all without breaking compatibility. They could even add bigger maps that would be PS4 exclusive. Also, why should they wait for the PS4 to be released? Don't you want to play the game now?

Edit: Also, something important to note: Most processing being done in many modern games isn't something visual. It's behind the scene stuff like pathfinding, AI, etc. Lots of things Dust won't have to handle, because it's done server side.


It will definitely take some more time for the PS4 to be released, and even then... we don't know pricing etc. I wouldn't buy a PS3 solely for the game, but you have to remember there are other advantages too (like being able to play blurays)

Edit 2:
I completely forgot about the game being based on the Unreal Engine 3. As such there shouldn't be any issue porting the game. You can even see several examples of game that did "jump" to the next generation, e.g. lots of mods for Unreal Tournament 2004 (Unreal Engine 2.5) that were ported to Unreal Tournamen 3 (Unreal Engine 3).

Edit: damn quoted wrong person and can't find the one I wanted...