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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act
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Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-16 07:58:43 UTC
And then every incursion thread was bumped! :3

So are assaults going to be the new vanguards?

/discuss

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Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-16 12:22:04 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
And then every incursion thread was bumped! :3

So are assaults going to be the new vanguards?

/discuss


CCP has Royal ruined Incursions, There is nothing wrong with them at this current time, There is a Select handful that make stupid amounts of Isk.

I've ran some on Test Server, You can't exactly go DDD in a OTA, So in theory Assaults are going to be the new Vanguard, CCP need to wait for a full Feedback from the Incursion Community, Instead of steam rolling the nerf hammer.

ISN has tried Assaults and our Isk Per Hour will stay the same, This nerf does not effect Incursion community's, Due to the fact you have the player base and skilled pilots, The only people this will ruin is the people trying to run Vanguards to obtain better ships or plexing there account.

A lot of people are annoyed about the nerf, However it will still be the best isk in the game, So i think we just need to take it on the chin.


We just need to find new ways to "Blitz" Assaults.

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#3 - 2012-04-16 15:50:20 UTC
People who are just causual playing incursions are even now better of with playing l4s, because this has better income per hour on short sessions.
(no wait time, no fleet search, even less risk, and less travel time)

Remove insurance.
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-16 17:34:37 UTC
Herr Ronin wrote:


We just need to find new ways to "Blitz" Assaults.

Good luck with that.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-17 11:47:52 UTC
Vito Antonio wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:


We just need to find new ways to "Blitz" Assaults.

Good luck with that.


Why thank you suger pie.

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2012-04-17 13:30:05 UTC
:popcorn:

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-04-17 15:03:45 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
:popcorn:


Popcorn? Were is the butter?

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#8 - 2012-04-17 18:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenchuu Khaan
Meanwhile on Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYjZTdrJlA

Anyway, as Ronin mentioned already - the people that make the silly amounts of ISK are highly focused on running Incursions and they may make some 120m+ ISK per hour but that represents a small portion of the Incursion Runners - besides that especially ISN runs around in Glass Cannons to make even "a bit more".

With a "casual" fleet you'll be in the 70m/h area and especially those will feel the nerf hammer the most. Those that are focused on Incursions will find a way to make good money from them anyway.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-17 20:42:59 UTC
Herr Ronin wrote:
A lot of people are annoyed about the nerf, However it will still be the best isk in the game, So i think we just need to take it on the chin.


i hate to burst your bubble but it's only the best isk in the game if you've never heard of WHs.

There is no Bob.

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-17 21:36:50 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
A lot of people are annoyed about the nerf, However it will still be the best isk in the game, So i think we just need to take it on the chin.


i hate to burst your bubble but it's only the best isk in the game if you've never heard of WHs.


Uhm your way way wrong. I used to live in a C3 for about 18 months and theres no way you can earn the same as incursions every hour you play constantly.

Once a WH has run dry of sites your restricted to when they will spawn again. They may not be combat sites, might be Gravimetric, could be ladar. Even then it might be a poor gas field or a sub par roid field.

With combat sites the high income comes from nanoribbons, they are randomly dropped so yet again the income from WHs is not constant like Incursions.

If you were online lets say 4 hours per day for 7 days, the same for a decent skilled Mach pilot running incursions. That mach pilot makes more then you.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-17 22:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Isk in WHs comes from blue tags, not nanos.
You can knock out 10bil each easy if you go on a PVE weekend with 2-3 people in a high end WH.
And i'm talking a few hours a day, not an all day grind.

Yeah it takes more skill and actually carries risk but you can't get more isk anywhere else.

You just go out once in a while for a week or 2 to top up isk reserves and then spend the rest of your time doing interesting things.

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-17 22:46:49 UTC
2-3 people in a high class wormhole, carrier escalation or RR tengus?

I cant see 10 billion isk each being achieveable. Can 4 RR tengus run C6 now they have decent nuets?
Vince Snetterton
#13 - 2012-04-18 00:37:42 UTC
Last couple months Incursions paid out about 9 trillion / month.
Thanks to the asshats who whined and the asshats in CCP who listened to them, I am predicting that 9 trillion drops to about 5 trillion.

VG's will be garbage. The shield fleets will completely own the OTA's, but even there, those fleets that get the last spawn first, and with less attentive logi pilots, will see ships will go poofy.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#14 - 2012-04-18 00:49:07 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:

With a "casual" fleet you'll be in the 70m/h area and especially those will feel the nerf hammer the most. Those that are focused on Incursions will find a way to make good money from them anyway.


This. They tried to nerf the wrong demograph with the paynerfs.

The top end will just move to assaults, the small casual fleets might as well stop and go back to L4 whoring.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-18 00:58:20 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
2-3 people in a high class wormhole, carrier escalation or RR tengus?
I cant see 10 billion isk each being achieveable. Can 4 RR tengus run C6 now they have decent nuets?


no 4 tengus cant run c6s, even c5s youre going to want 5+.
more importantly, tengus are for rookies.

the fact that you cant see it being achievable is a lack of imagination on your part.

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Gress Enka
Venture into the unknown
#16 - 2012-04-18 07:50:44 UTC
Last night in in a wormhole 4 people scanned out 5 hight end Ladar sites. Clearing the sites gave 350 millions in "bluebooks" and melted nanoribbons. decent pay for 20 minutes of shooting stuff

Then we logged on our fleet of gassing alts and sucked up 4 billions in gass within the next couple of hours..Big smile

Come join us in the unknown, instead of chasing them incursionthingys
discordigant
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-18 08:02:18 UTC
Gress Enka wrote:
Last night in in a wormhole 4 people scanned out 5 hight end Ladar sites. Clearing the sites gave 350 millions in "bluebooks" and melted nanoribbons. decent pay for 20 minutes of shooting stuff

Then we logged on our fleet of gassing alts and sucked up 4 billions in gass within the next couple of hours..Big smile

Come join us in the unknown, instead of chasing them incursionthingys



This.
Anderron Shi
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-18 08:30:36 UTC
NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NO RISK, NO ISK NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NO RISK, NO ISK NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

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Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#19 - 2012-04-18 08:56:58 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
A lot of people are annoyed about the nerf, However it will still be the best isk in the game, So i think we just need to take it on the chin.


i hate to burst your bubble but it's only the best isk in the game if you've never heard of WHs.


Nerf incursions more tbh, they aren't crying hard enough yet. And yeah, wh isk/hr ***** all over incursions. Anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong.

Of course, taking shinies outside HS is a thought that terrifies the hardened bears. Lol
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#20 - 2012-04-18 09:40:39 UTC
Nemo deBlanc wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
A lot of people are annoyed about the nerf, However it will still be the best isk in the game, So i think we just need to take it on the chin.


i hate to burst your bubble but it's only the best isk in the game if you've never heard of WHs.


Nerf incursions more tbh, they aren't crying hard enough yet. And yeah, wh isk/hr ***** all over incursions. Anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong.

Of course, taking shinies outside HS is a thought that terrifies the hardened bears. Lol



Why is it that incursion people do not complain about WH ISK but WH people complain about incursion isk ? You just now said it yourself that you earn more . If you earn more then why do you complain ? Do you want others to not earn anything and take their ships to your " home field " so you can feel " powerfull and mighty " ? Please get back on the ground .
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