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Why EVE is not as popular, and why that is not a bad thing.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#21 - 2012-04-18 02:42:35 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Hey, it's a "Goons are all sociopaths" thread. Who wants to take numbers on the OP being a Serene Repose alt?


I've got 5 on Scooter.


Man, scooter is totally a Goon alt.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-18 02:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Stig
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Quote:
Sociopathy

Hare writes that the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy may "reflect the user's views on the origins and determinates of the disorder." The term sociopathy may be preferred by sociologists that see the causes as due to social factors. The term psychopathy may be preferred by psychologists who see the causes as due to a combination of psychological, genetic, and environmental factors.

David T. Lykken proposed psychopathy and sociopathy are two distinct kinds of antisocial personality disorder. He believed psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms. On the other hand, he claimed that sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. In other words, psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental.


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A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.

The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopath’s personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.

Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.

Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopath’s behaviour.

Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use. They may use these substances heavily as a way of heightening their antisocial personality. The sociopath sometimes sees the world on his or her own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills. The sociopath may suffer from low self esteem, and the use of alcohol and drugs is a way to diminish these feelings.

The causes of antisocial personality disorder are thought to be either genetic or environmental. Children who are influenced by antisocial parents may adopt these tendencies. Similarly, role models such as one's friends or peer group may also influence the behaviour pattern of a sociopath. Antisocial behaviour is more likely to occur in men than in women. About 1% of women have this disorder, while 3% of men are affected by it.

It is very rare for a person with antisocial personality disorder to seek help of their own accord. Treatment for antisocial personality disorder is usually through group psychotherapy. Sociopaths often find it helpful to talk through and recognize their problems with people they can trust. In a number of cases, this type of personality disorder tends to diminish from the age of 30 onwards.


If any of this sounds familiar, seek help

Quote:
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopath’s personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.

Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.


Likely the bits we see

BECAUSE ITS A GODDAMNED GAME


qft
especially the last bit

and get it right... the word in no longer sociopath. Its antisocial personality disorder. The difference is like using the R word for people that have developmental disorders
Its not PC tho in this case it may actually be innacurate now

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#23 - 2012-04-18 02:44:29 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Quote:
Sociopathy

Hare writes that the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy may "reflect the user's views on the origins and determinates of the disorder." The term sociopathy may be preferred by sociologists that see the causes as due to social factors. The term psychopathy may be preferred by psychologists who see the causes as due to a combination of psychological, genetic, and environmental factors.

David T. Lykken proposed psychopathy and sociopathy are two distinct kinds of antisocial personality disorder. He believed psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms. On the other hand, he claimed that sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. In other words, psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental.


Quote:
A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.

The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopath’s personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.

Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.

Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopath’s behaviour.

Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use. They may use these substances heavily as a way of heightening their antisocial personality. The sociopath sometimes sees the world on his or her own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills. The sociopath may suffer from low self esteem, and the use of alcohol and drugs is a way to diminish these feelings.

The causes of antisocial personality disorder are thought to be either genetic or environmental. Children who are influenced by antisocial parents may adopt these tendencies. Similarly, role models such as one's friends or peer group may also influence the behaviour pattern of a sociopath. Antisocial behaviour is more likely to occur in men than in women. About 1% of women have this disorder, while 3% of men are affected by it.

It is very rare for a person with antisocial personality disorder to seek help of their own accord. Treatment for antisocial personality disorder is usually through group psychotherapy. Sociopaths often find it helpful to talk through and recognize their problems with people they can trust. In a number of cases, this type of personality disorder tends to diminish from the age of 30 onwards.


If any of this sounds familiar, seek help

Quote:
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopath’s personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.

Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.


Likely the bits we see

BECAUSE ITS A GODDAMNED GAME


I know that I can't wait to slaughter Jita residents while blasting Huey Lewis and the News.

It's hip to be square!

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Boston Bradley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-18 03:15:43 UTC
Here are my top 5 reasons for EVE being "unpopular".

#1: It's hard to be a solo player, because some missions and most PvP combat require multiple players.
#2: Training is incredibly time consuming, most people would rather take on the task of "farming" then waiting.
#3: Losing ships is incredibly easy for new players.
#4: Operation and Selection of weapons & modules in general is a bit advanced compared to most games.
#5: People are assholes in this game.
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-18 03:19:49 UTC
Boston Bradley wrote:
Here are my top 5 reasons for EVE being "unpopular".

#1: It's hard to be a solo player, because some missions and most PvP combat require multiple players.
#2: Training is incredibly time consuming, most people would rather take on the task of "farming" then waiting.
#3: Losing ships is incredibly easy for new players.
#4: Operation and Selection of weapons & modules in general is a bit advanced compared to most games.
#5: People are assholes in this game.


1.) what mission? Unless youre talking 5s, I can solo anything 4 in a Drake
3.) Easy for everyone if youre in the wrong place or stupid
5.) in every MMO ever

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2012-04-18 03:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known.
No, it's not.
It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality, and who exhibit feelings of victimisation or persecution along with poor emotional control… almost suggesting some form of BPD or schizophrenia.

Sweeping nonsensical diagnoses are fun.
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-18 03:48:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known.
No, it's not.
It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality, and who exhibit feelings of victimisation or persecution along with poor emotional control… almost suggesting some form of BPD or schizophrenia.


I actually agree. Mittens seems to have a signficant difficulty with that reality/game thing.

"im drunk" defense roflmao

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

Where is your God now carebear?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#28 - 2012-04-18 03:49:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known.
No, it's not.
It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality, and who exhibit feelings of victimisation or persecution along with poor emotional control… almost suggesting some form of BPD or schizophrenia.

Sweeping nonsensical diagnoses are fun.



you know neckbears would have sum it up in less words yeah know... no need getting all Shakespearean with them...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-04-18 04:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
I actually agree. Mittens seems to have a signficant difficulty with that reality/game thing.

"im drunk" defense roflmao
You mean the defence he didn't use since he explicitly said it didn't excuse anything?

Yes, people who keep bringing up that “defence” in spite of the fact that it wasn't actually invoked have a hard time separating reality and their own imagination.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-04-18 04:53:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
I actually agree. Mittens seems to have a signficant difficulty with that reality/game thing.

"im drunk" defense roflmao
You mean the defence he didn't use since he explicitly said it didn't excuse anything?

Yes, people who keep bringing up that “defence” in spite of the fact that it wasn't actually invoked have a hard time separating reality and their own imagination.


interesting, Elissia's and my imagination were on EVE-Radio.
Had that been true it would have been him being permabanned and screaming in defiance. lol

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-18 05:05:46 UTC
Really? This needed another thread?
Ai Shun
#32 - 2012-04-18 05:44:07 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
you know neckbears would have sum it up in less words


Neckbears? Are they furry and sparkle in sunlight?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2012-04-18 06:06:08 UTC
Mmmmmm furryyyy

EVE is a game for adults. While gaming is now socially accepted pastime, adults often have less free time to dedicate to games.

Oh and your sociopath thing is pure bullshit, btw. But you knew that already, didn't you.


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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2012-04-18 06:37:17 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known.
No, it's not.
It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality, and who exhibit feelings of victimisation or persecution along with poor emotional control… almost suggesting some form of BPD or schizophrenia.


I actually agree. Mittens seems to have a signficant difficulty with that reality/game thing.

"im drunk" defense roflmao



You seem to have a problem with that reading thing. He specifically declined to excuse himself for being drunk.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-04-18 06:37:30 UTC
Actually...

I don't think there are as many sociopaths as people think. It only appears there are due the the amount of people complaining about the few that are there.

The game for the most part is pretty peacefull for most doing their thing, or those fighting sov wars.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-04-18 07:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Ai Shun wrote:
Posting to confirm that I played a Tauren Restoration Shaman, thus I can throw glowing leaves around and spend my afternoons chewing grass in the back-yard.

"The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

I'm a cute gnomish healer (priest) and there are no sociopaths in WoW.

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Gantz Tleilax
Divided Unity
#37 - 2012-04-18 07:09:00 UTC
I play Eve because it's harder than your average mmo and kicks your ass at times, I've been playing for almost 3 years now and still there is so much to see and learn.

This is what makes it not popular. But if it was any different I wouldn't be playing it.
Ersteen Hofs
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-04-18 07:26:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Alyssa Yotosala wrote:
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known.
No, it's not.
It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality

this argument is kind of old, and it does not work. the person who conducts sociopathic behavior in game obviously compensates for the lack of ability to conduct the same way in real life due to fear of law or the lack of social options or whatever else. but this person still ENJOYS sociopathic behavior which makes it not a likable person for most people.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2012-04-18 07:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ersteen Hofs wrote:
this argument is kind of old, and it does not work.
…by which I can only assume that you're referring to the sociopath argument, since it's not something that can be read from a game — especially one where gameplay dictates a different behaviour than real life. In fact…
Quote:
the person who conducts sociopathic behavior in game obviously compensates for the lack of ability to conduct the same way in real life due to fear of law or the lack of social options or whatever else.
…that pretty much means they're not sociopaths since the defining characteristic of APD is that those RL inhibitions don't exist.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2012-04-18 07:50:35 UTC
Oh Tippits, haven't you learned yet that all your silly "facts" and "logic" just don't mean nearly as much as what I feel to be true?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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