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GM's setting wallet to Negative - A bit harsh?
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Hammerin' Snatch
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-04-17 09:32:59 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
A coward's option.


Meh not really, giving in to CCP and buying overpriced PLEX is.
Anyway just moved all my things, starting Biomass countdown.

Cya
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-17 09:46:33 UTC
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough.

If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught?

I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites.
Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount.
Uh oh, busted...

Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right?
Well...sort of...

My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions.
This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time...
I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling.
Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax.

Better go mission.
Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo.


Have they always punished players who buy isk like this?

I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0.
At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think?


So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter.
I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules.

I just don't agree with this form of punishment.

Thanks


Edit:
Going to Biomass Hammer.
My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get.
Sorry everyone.

Fly safe o7

You got off light. If I was running Eve you'd be permabanned.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#43 - 2012-04-17 10:02:05 UTC
It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up.

Good riddance to fail rubbish.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#44 - 2012-04-17 10:07:39 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up.

Good riddance to fail rubbish.



I am empty quoting...wait not anymore

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People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#45 - 2012-04-17 10:21:36 UTC
HOW DARE THEY !?

A simple PERM ban would have done nicely...... P

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#46 - 2012-04-17 10:23:27 UTC
Imortality wrote:
Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own.

Gonna say this was a mistake. Keeping him around would serve you 2 purposes: he woulda been bringing in alot of taxes, and you can hold him up as an example. I've been in corps with people who got nailed for RMT before, and no one will preach harder about making isk legit than someone who has had to do it from a neg wallet.

Also, in the end, its between the guy who violated the rules, and CCP. He cheated and was punished appropriately, that should be the end. I would be more worried now about him being around, since he biomassed to escape his punishment he is more likely to do it again.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Namiiine
NubSquad
#47 - 2012-04-17 10:28:36 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Imortality wrote:
Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own.

Gonna say this was a mistake. Keeping him around would serve you 2 purposes: he woulda been bringing in alot of taxes, and you can hold him up as an example. I've been in corps with people who got nailed for RMT before, and no one will preach harder about making isk legit than someone who has had to do it from a neg wallet.

Also, in the end, its between the guy who violated the rules, and CCP. He cheated and was punished appropriately, that should be the end. I would be more worried now about him being around, since he biomassed to escape his punishment he is more likely to do it again.


This +1

Dudes probably gonna end up doing it all over again.
But its his choice, waste of time really, buying isk then losing a character a few months down the line.

Regardless its CCP's problem, not yours.
Kicking him out of a corp serves nothing.
Rike Ewann
#48 - 2012-04-17 10:48:38 UTC
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Stuff


Create alt. Create corp. Set tax to 100%
Pay off your dept while buying selling with your alt.
The negative wallet is to offset the amount of money you bought illegally and never should have had to begin with.
Ashrun Dir
Love for You
#49 - 2012-04-17 11:31:20 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts!


He even gets 1 Trit! That's a lot these days!
MIkhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#50 - 2012-04-17 12:25:26 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It's funnier to neg wallet them and watch them struggle for a couple of months (and pay subs) before they give up.

Good riddance to fail rubbish.



Basically this ^

No sympathy from me, glad to see the back of another RMT'er. Well done CCP keep up the good work! :)

There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared. 
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#51 - 2012-04-17 13:44:18 UTC
I don't believe a neg wallet is as bad as it used to be... So just be thankful.

There was once a time that you couldn't even be GIVEN ammo to go ratting to work off the negative balance. It was due to the fact that you had less than the 0 isk required for the trade.

I'm pretty sure that changed awhile back though.
Imortality
Revolutionists
#52 - 2012-04-17 14:14:10 UTC
Namiiine wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Imortality wrote:
Hammerin' Snatch has been removed from corp, i'd rather not have this bad image placed upon us. Next time you are hurting for isk try doing it legit so you can be proud of what you have earned. If you make a new character in the future and build him up without having to cheat the game in anyway then you will be welcome back, until then you're on your own.

Gonna say this was a mistake. Keeping him around would serve you 2 purposes: he woulda been bringing in alot of taxes, and you can hold him up as an example. I've been in corps with people who got nailed for RMT before, and no one will preach harder about making isk legit than someone who has had to do it from a neg wallet.

Also, in the end, its between the guy who violated the rules, and CCP. He cheated and was punished appropriately, that should be the end. I would be more worried now about him being around, since he biomassed to escape his punishment he is more likely to do it again.


This +1

Dudes probably gonna end up doing it all over again.
But its his choice, waste of time really, buying isk then losing a character a few months down the line.

Regardless its CCP's problem, not yours.
Kicking him out of a corp serves nothing.


I'm removing him to make an example out of him, we don't want things like this labeled alongside our name. It's nothing personal, he's a good guy, just made a mistake.
Mugged Yougot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-04-17 17:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Quit the game and let CCP deal with that they lost another player.



Heh...

No thanks, EvE is too much fun to simply quit, if it comes down to it I'll have to roll another toon and mourn the loss of this guy forever...
I'd assume CCP have set your wallet to match the amount of plex you bought externallty? In that case you would have to be pretty stupid to start a new character instead of just paying what you owe on your main and continue playing on him. *snip* The fee for your monthly subs to get a new toon to the same lvl as your old is probably going to to cost you just as much, if not more, and you can actually start farming ISK right away. *snip*
No sympathy for thieves! /irony

Offensive parts snipped by ISD LoneLynx. Please avoid resorting to personal attacks
Imortality
Revolutionists
#54 - 2012-04-17 19:36:41 UTC
I don't think he would want to rebuild a -7.5bill wallet lol
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#55 - 2012-04-18 01:59:59 UTC
Not harsh enough, actually.

Good riddance.

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#56 - 2012-04-18 02:16:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
A coward's option.


Meh not really, giving in to CCP and buying overpriced PLEX is.
Anyway just moved all my things, starting Biomass countdown.

Cya



Wait, lolwut??

So cheating and infringing on CCP's intellectual property-rights--which you agreed to respect when you clicked
"Accept" on the EULA whilst downloading the client--is alright, but using the legit way that CCP provides to do the same ******* thing you cheated to do is the coward's choice?

OK, I see the logic here.

Leave our game, and stay gone, you filth.

Ni.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-04-18 03:02:38 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
A coward's option.


Meh not really, giving in to CCP and buying overpriced PLEX is.
Anyway just moved all my things, starting Biomass countdown.

Cya



Wait, lolwut??

So cheating and infringing on CCP's intellectual property-rights--which you agreed to respect when you clicked
"Accept" on the EULA whilst downloading the client--is alright, but using the legit way that CCP provides to do the same ******* thing you cheated to do is the coward's choice?

OK, I see the logic here.

Leave our game, and stay gone, you filth.

Not empty quoting.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
dave3NG
Finite Future
#58 - 2012-04-18 06:53:42 UTC
..so gets to move 7.5bil worth of stuff, or what's left of it, to the new char. Since it's only from December 11, not that hard to buy a new one. Pretty easy punishment.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-04-18 07:43:24 UTC
Its exactly what should happen. Thats why it happens. You arnt sorry you did it, you are sorry you got caught, sorry isnt enough, you must pay for your crimes against humanity.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#60 - 2012-04-18 11:30:21 UTC
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough.



TLDR; I cheated and got caught and now i'm crying on the forums because I think I should be allowed to make excuses for my cheating and get a second chance.

Frankly, I'm glad you got caught. It's people like you who create a market for RMT and indirectly cause the botting which screws up the game for the rest of us.

You got what you asked for and you'll find no sympathy here.