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New dev blog: UK Pricing Provides Sterling Service

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Othran
Route One
#61 - 2012-04-14 10:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
UK players have been paying more than Euro players for the best part of a decade, so **** off with the "racist" crap.

CCP made UK players pay in Euros simply because that was in their interests - they bet that the Euro would be proportionally stronger than sterling.

Now they're betting that sterling will be proportionally stronger than the Euro.

Frankly that's a no-brainer as the Euro is going down the toilet this year - don't kid yourselves, things are going to be MUCH worse than last year. ECB has thrown over a trillion Euros away by trying to maintain a currency which cannot work unless there is complete political union. German taxpayers (although most are unaware of this) have committed nearly 500 BILLION Euros to firefighting the impossible and they're NEVER going to see that repaid. However that's fair enough in my book as it was the criminal behaviour of the Landesbanks (banking all those state funds in Ireland then demanding the Irish people bail out German state banks) which triggered the Euro crisis.

The Spanish banks are going to go properly bust this year and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Spain having a revolution - 53% of all under-25s are unemployed, 60% of youth unemployed seems to be the point at which revolutions occur ("Arab Spring" for example).

Italy is a basket case - they've had useless govt for the best part of 20 years and the birthrate has fallen so low that in the next 5-10 years they will be completely unable to fund pensions or healthcare.

Greece is pretty much corrupt to the core, seems like every set of financial figures that comes from there admits to more corruption and lies, they will have to leave the Euro, no doubt about it.

Portugal is poor, always has been really. Nobody is getting money back from there.

France is heavily exposed to Greek and Italian debt, their banks will be on the brink of failing this year too.

Iceland did the right thing by telling private bondholders to go **** themselves. Hopefully Ireland will follow suit after the referendum.

tl;dr CCP would have to be clinically insane to base future revenue planning on the Euro.

Edit - the UK is a basket case too but the difference is we have the longest bonds (gilts) out of any country in Europe. Most of our debts don't need rolling over for 14 years. Spain for example has to find 300 billion in funding in the next 3 years just to rollover current debt.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-04-14 11:36:50 UTC
Who came up with the pun for the title of the dev blog? Big smile
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
#63 - 2012-04-14 11:51:57 UTC
Othran wrote:
CCP would have to be clinically insane to base future revenue planning on the Euro.

I agree. We should NOT pay expensive... I mean not stable Euro price. We should pay more cheaper... I mean more stable GBP, or US Dolar price
Othran
Route One
#64 - 2012-04-14 12:05:44 UTC
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:
Othran wrote:
CCP would have to be clinically insane to base future revenue planning on the Euro.

I agree. We should NOT pay expensive... I mean not stable Euro price. We should pay more cheaper... I mean more stable GBP, or US Dolar price


Then use someone like shattered crystal for gametime cards.

There's no way CCP is going to allow Eurozone players to pay in anything other than Euros - VAT (sales tax) is the reasoning behind that. Once you let Euro players pay in (for example) US dollars then you are going to have to increase the US dollar sub rate.

Frankly if the UK govt actually noticed CCP, they could compel CCP to pay all VAT in the UK. For those of you about to say "no they couldn't", well I'm afraid that currently you are wrong - the server, which generates pretty much ALL of CCPs revenue is in London. That makes their main business operation UK-based. They'd no doubt be able to offshore tax on profits but in terms of VAT they'd be screwed. You would have VAT on ALL subscriptions regardless of currency or country of residence.

Be careful what you wish for.
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
#65 - 2012-04-14 12:39:14 UTC
European guy is looking for place to live in UK, or outside of EU
Carulis
Scarab Technological Industries
#66 - 2012-04-14 15:02:50 UTC
I'm not sure why the EURO players are complaining.

I'm from the UK and we used to pay in GBP, then it moved to EUR when it was £0.65 to 1 EUR.

It is now around £0.86 to 1 EUR so we have had a steady increase over the years and we did not complain.

If we had carried on paying in GBP it would have been static

The EURO players have had a static price which has not moved over the years, so why the hue and cry???

I do thank CCP for now giving us a fixed price which is not dependent on the GBP to EUR exchange rate.
Stebe Erata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-04-14 15:42:18 UTC
TALLY-HO!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jolly Good Ol'CCP!

Stebe
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#68 - 2012-04-15 02:02:00 UTC
CCP, do I need to "sign up" or register for the meet up or is it just a turn-up-and-come-in type thing?

Thanks.

Wack

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
CivilAME
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#69 - 2012-04-16 19:19:44 UTC
I find it interesting that people from the UK would like to pay in funds of their home country. I being for a little place called the USA would like to pay in the funds of my home country and possibly NEVER pay a currency conversion again....

Thoughts CCP?
Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic
#70 - 2012-04-16 21:32:18 UTC
So CCP when can the rest of us expect to get the price break? Seriously. When? Solid dates only please.






(Oh, and no, to the players reading this, I KNOW dam_n well there is no price break coming from the greedy CCPers; I just wanted to point out that by being nice to the brits they are, in effect, screwing the rest of us.)
Phali SVK
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-04-16 21:57:03 UTC
Iboku Kaeane wrote:
so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.

so... two questions:
A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete?
B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP?


Well I don`t live in Denmark, but many many many people use euro.
Zackgar
Lead Farmers
#72 - 2012-04-16 22:06:27 UTC
Carulis wrote:

I'm from the UK and we used to pay in GBP, then it moved to EUR when it was £0.65 to 1 EUR.

It is now around £0.86 to 1 EUR so we have had a steady increase over the years and we did not complain.



I second this, back when I started playing, it was around this rate, so it was around £9.70 a month per account. Now its £12.80.
Thats a £3 increase in price. Now I run 3 accounts which means I am around £10 worse off a month because of Euro.

To compare £10 could buy any of the following:

840 cups of tea
1.5kg of roast beef
3 1/2 pints of premium bitter
11kg of dog food for whippets
Entry to Buckingham Palace
50 cucumber sandwiches
2 portions of fish and chips
1 Sun £9.50 holiday
The bad bits of northern rock building society
1 tasteful metal model of Big Ben
Private dental cover

So thankyou CCP for helping us to preserve our British lifestyle!
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
#73 - 2012-04-17 05:59:49 UTC
Zackgar wrote:
Carulis wrote:

I'm from the UK and we used to pay in GBP, then it moved to EUR when it was £0.65 to 1 EUR.

It is now around £0.86 to 1 EUR so we have had a steady increase over the years and we did not complain.



I second this, back when I started playing, it was around this rate, so it was around £9.70 a month per account. Now its £12.80.
Thats a £3 increase in price. Now I run 3 accounts which means I am around £10 worse off a month because of Euro.

To compare £10 could buy any of the following:

840 cups of tea
1.5kg of roast beef
3 1/2 pints of premium bitter
11kg of dog food for whippets
Entry to Buckingham Palace
50 cucumber sandwiches
2 portions of fish and chips
1 Sun £9.50 holiday
The bad bits of northern rock building society
1 tasteful metal model of Big Ben
Private dental cover

So thankyou CCP for helping us to preserve our British lifestyle!

I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING
Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
#74 - 2012-04-17 09:04:21 UTC
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:

I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING


I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the irony of the Euro. Ditching your historic currency for a bit of political funny money. Gawd I am so glad we kept Pound Sterling.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#75 - 2012-04-17 10:36:06 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
CCP, do I need to "sign up" or register for the meet up or is it just a turn-up-and-come-in type thing?

Thanks.

Wack


No registration needed. Just show up. That's what I'm doing! ;)

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
#76 - 2012-04-17 14:25:49 UTC
Rashmika Clavain wrote:
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:

I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING


I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the irony of the Euro. Ditching your historic currency for a bit of political funny money. Gawd I am so glad we kept Pound Sterling.

My country doesn't have Euro
Othran
Route One
#77 - 2012-04-17 14:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Rashmika Clavain wrote:
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:

I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING


I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the irony of the Euro. Ditching your historic currency for a bit of political funny money. Gawd I am so glad we kept Pound Sterling.


Heh sterling is even more screwed than the Euro, its just going to happen a little later.

If you have a dry sense of humour you'll appreciate the following :

1) The country that owes the most (in the EU) to Spain is the UK;

2) The country that owes the most (in the EU) to the UK is France;

3) The ONLY countries who broke the Euro stability rules (apart from Greece who have lied since day 1) were France and Germany in 2003 - they didn't just break the rules, they totally ignored them. One rule for Germany & France, another for everyone else.

4) German banks are "owed" 1 trillion Euros by other EU banks, mainly Spanish banks - good luck with Teutonic discipline there boys and girls, your banks are as out of control as the "Anglo-Saxon" banks who France/Spain keep blaming.

5) The only major player in the IMF who is interested in lending Eurozone countries money is Japan, the most indebted country (by GDP) on the planet.


Its a mad mad world :(
Othran
Route One
#78 - 2012-04-17 14:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:

My country doesn't have Euro


You have 25% VAT though and therein lies the problem with letting you pay in Crowns - or is it krone, or is that the same thing?

I forget with Scandinavian countries its mainly crowns/krone isn't it?
Zeruma
Tsukaga Industries
#79 - 2012-04-18 00:25:19 UTC
Othran wrote:
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:

My country doesn't have Euro


You have 25% VAT though and therein lies the problem with letting you pay in Crowns - or is it krone, or is that the same thing?

I forget with Scandinavian countries its mainly crowns/krone isn't it?


Can I pay in paper burger king crowns being as I'm from America?
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
#80 - 2012-04-18 05:48:51 UTC
Othran wrote:
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:

My country doesn't have Euro


You have 25% VAT though and therein lies the problem with letting you pay in Crowns - or is it krone, or is that the same thing?

I forget with Scandinavian countries its mainly crowns/krone isn't it?

And UK doesn't have 25% VAT?