EVE General Discussion

I've done similar things and alot of the elitist, know it all's really need to run a trial account just to see how absolutely unattractive EVE is to anyone who hasn't been here for 5 years.

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*overclocks brain

CCP seems to be lacking in the marketing department. Also, EVE really isn't an "easy" game to pick up and advance in. Training is so time consuming that it really sets a mark between noob and elite.

That's a joke, right? Have you read the SWTOR or WoW general forum recently?

(CCP actually runs a pretty tight ship on their forums. The trolls here have to be a bit more creative.)

WoW is easy.

EVE is not.

Let's keep if that way please.

Yes but Tippia, once the newbs realize how it looks, all your calculations mean nothing cause to THEM it seems like you cant catch up ever so they leave.

Yes, its stupid, but I dont think theres a way to pre-empt stupidity

I have no idea where people get that wow is easy, and even more that eve is not.

There are a lot of highly intelligent people that play(ed) wow. To be good, and truly know your class is not easy.

Do not think for one minute that you are superior for playing this game.

I've read more simple minded comments in these forums than I've ever read on blizzards.

My first months playing WOW Dec 2004 have never been matched by any game and probably never will.

You truly have no clue.

BTW, I did a trial of this game around Oct 2005, and didn't subscribe. Not real impressed this time either. This is the most do nothing game I've ever played, which is why I preordered my Diablo today.

This is suppose to be a pvp game, but all I see is ganks, players taking advantage of the weak, and whatever you call the rest of it.

Yes, someone taking out a mining barge is very impressive, and I've actually seen someone posting one in local like they accomplished something. I just thought to myself, how sad is that.

This is the reason many of my friends turn down EVE- they are afraid they can't handle the addiction.

I'm happy that I can control it. Right? I mean I can quit any time should I want to. I can prove it to you- I won't log in for the next 10 hours!

If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to do it.

Problem is, most perspective players in the beginning get so many of those "If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to do it." that they never make it to the paid sub.




Not really, in every other MMO you start in rags and wooden sword and are sent to whack boar gullets.

What happens is that in the other MMOs you get 2 kinds of immediate feedback:

1) Your character tangibly improves and in a reasonable amount of time.

2) Your skill heavily affects your character performance.


Point 1 is the most common. In EvE it's true (and most ignore it) that within 2 weeks you can play a decisive PvP role as tackler but you are still a rookie in the lowest ship. After 1 month you are in a cruiser with some medium skills, once again it's not much to look at. In other MMOs you are max level within those 2 weeks or you don't even really level up at all since you get the so called "stats boost" that raise some of your stats when you are apprenticed / teamed up (varies by game) so that you are quicker ready to join a group.
The vast majority of players are of the instant gratification type and won't stand EvE's long haul, even if they'd be proficient PvPers.

Point 2 applies to PvP games (and much less to WoW and similar), as in proper PvP games you easily get competitive PvP gear, often such gear is purposedly levelled to a standard for everybody, because the PvP game basics are about everyone competing on their skills, not their gear or stats.
In this EvE fails, as you never have the same "standard match setup". Of course it's plenty possible for a vastly skilled EvE PvPer to beat the odds, even with 2-3 vs 1. But the average Joe vs average Joe, gear will easily win the fight, expecially due to the dull and scarcely interactive microing controls available. Does not help that most ships above cruiser hull are as twitchy as sleepy whales, further reducing the amount of personal skill advantages.