EVE General Discussion

Lol, you're daft, and my math is spot on.

Those prices are just ridiculous for a mining ship. and the covetor prices are out of line too.

Don't tell them, you'll turn Hulkmegeddon into Hard Mode: No Targets

open overview settings.
select load Default "PvP"
observe that mining barges and exhumers are now visible.

Clearly, they are PvP ships.

Question to miners:

Now that Botpocalypse happened, will it be more profitable to sell refined materials or sell ships built from them?

I ask this because as a part time farmer, the term "value added" comes to mind. For example, if I had a crop of pumpkins (did once, that's a lot of freaking pumpkins) they only sell for so much, but an average pumpkin pie has only 2 cups or 16 oz of "refined" pumpkin in it (boiled and mashed) but costs way more than the material values.

Will miners be more inclined to build stuff from the ores they mine to pull a profit and in that case, would a Hulk pay itself off faster?

My interest is not in mining or industry but in exploring the concept of value added and market factors.

(Austrian economics FTW)

I say they aren't. What now?

What's the payback time on a mission Tengu compared to, say, a Drake?

Spod is good now?


Man, times change

I don't support people switching out of their hulks, because the lesser ships are no fun to gank.

However this thread is so full of people with massive lack of readin comprehension it made my head hurt.

The 50 hours is not the time it would take to replace a hulk, it's the time needed for the isk investment in a hulk, relative to a covetor to pay off due to the extra yield.

To say nothing of the severe decline in collectability now that there's an actual supply of the stuff! I wonder if the low value is some sort of conservationist plot to ensure we never again find ourselves singing, "where has all the Spodumain gone?"

That does somewhat point out what I think is one of the bigger problems with mining, in that it's only really worth bothering with the "ends" of the ore-spectrum, and in both cases there's not much incentive to do anything but pile as many mining lasers as you possibly can into any mining effort- for hisec because there's not really anything escort ships can do against any credible threat (unless you're talking war targets, but current mechanics promote "do something else" during a war rather than "beef up the escorts"), for nullsec because there's not really any credible threat you *need* escort ships to deal with and *won't* have a ton of advance warning for so everyone can go dock/safe up and maybe even swap for combat vessels (granted not all of nullsec is on big intel channels in locked-up systems but even then I don't hear of too many people putting together mining ops they intend to defend in-place).

The only place I'd really think a "real" fleet would be useful is lowsec because you're more likely to not see raiders until they're in local, and really... what is there in lowsec that's worth taking 25%-50% of your mining lasers and sitting them in combat ships these days, just so you can chase off pirates (and likely take a sec hit doing so)?

Yep. Rat in VFK :)