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Ships/Modules So Useless We've Forgotten About Them

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Culmen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-17 22:05:00 UTC
Today, Let's look at two things I think everybodies effectively fogotten existed
Defender Missiles and Mining Frigates

Has CCP ever explicitly stated that they will look at these two things EVER

Defender Missiles are pretty useless even on paper, they reduce incoming missile damage at the expense that you might be losing around 1/7th of your damage output
There is no reason to load them into anything other than a rocket launcher, but you could load them into a citadel torpedo launcher
In practice they almost never actually reduce incoming missile damage.

Mining Frigate
Bantam, Burst, Tormentor, Navita
When was the last time you saw anyone flying one of the things
They are out Mined by destroyers you get practically free with the tutorial.
And unlike literally every other frigate in the game, these have no Tech II variants.

So anything else even more useless that I've forgotten about them?

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Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-17 22:06:16 UTC
Culmen wrote:
Today, Let's look at two things I think everybodies effectively fogotten existed
Defender Missiles and Mining Frigates

Has CCP ever explicitly stated that they will look at these two things EVER

Defender Missiles are pretty useless even on paper, they reduce incoming missile damage at the expense that you might be losing around 1/7th of your damage output
There is no reason to load them into anything other than a rocket launcher, but you could load them into a citadel torpedo launcher
In practice they almost never actually reduce incoming missile damage.

Mining Frigate
Bantam, Burst, Tormentor, Navita
When was the last time you saw anyone flying one of the things
They are out Mined by destroyers you get practically free with the tutorial.
And unlike literally every other frigate in the game, these have no Tech II variants.

So anything else even more useless that I've forgotten about them?


the mining frigates are used by new players to mine. i know, its hard to believe, but they are used.
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-17 22:08:53 UTC
Mining frigates are also given out free in the tutorial missions, and if you don't do the combat tutorials, you don't get a destroyer.

The bonuses on Mining frigs make them definitely worthwhile for the newbie. Destroyers are for salvaging, not mining.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2012-04-17 22:09:06 UTC
I use the Tormenter for lolPvP. And I have one fit for newbie mining somewhere...
Culmen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-17 22:10:09 UTC
Varesk wrote:


the mining frigates are used by new players to mine. i know, its hard to believe, but they are used.


Yet unlike every other ship in the game, you can't find another use for it once you "Grow out of it"
Even if it's just to make a T2 ship.

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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-17 22:10:27 UTC
It would be nice if defender missile launchers could be fit to utility high slots.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-04-17 22:13:35 UTC
The Procurer? That's the tiny T1 barge right?

I think I've seen one once, then I ganked it and haven't seen another one since

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Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-17 22:15:33 UTC
I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field, reducing the DPS of a tengu fleet while alphafleet does its work. Perhaps its just us who haven't yet cracked the nut on how to employ those mods.

Mining frigs... well, newbs gonna newb i guess
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-17 22:16:29 UTC
Also, have you ever seen the visual effects of a drakefleet inside a sanctum, with the rats firing defenders? Its quite beautiful.
Culmen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-17 22:17:44 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field.


Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.

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Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-17 22:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Valerie Tessel
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field, reducing the DPS of a tengu fleet while alphafleet does its work. Perhaps its just us who haven't yet cracked the nut on how to employ those mods.

Mining frigs... well, newbs gonna newb i guess


I thought defender missiles only reduced incoming damage. In other words, you have to fire them to destroy missiles coming at you, therefore, you have to take up a launcher slot and reduce your own outgoing damage. It would be cool to have antimissile frigates or the future equivalent of aegis systems.

Tactical destroyers... I'll take a dozen Gallente, please.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-17 22:20:57 UTC
Culmen wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field.


Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.



excactly... it would be more useful to fit a bunch of ECM and small neuts or something.
ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2012-04-17 22:25:06 UTC
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2012-04-17 23:04:35 UTC
Culmen wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field.


Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.

Blackbirds I guess.

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Katalci
Kismesis
#15 - 2012-04-18 00:36:05 UTC
Defender missiles are useful on interceptors. They can help you last that one little second longer that it takes your gang to get backup points.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-04-18 01:07:12 UTC
Culmen wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I dunno. I've often fantasized about what effect a newbie wing of 50 fast, rocket launcher-laden cruisers spewing Defenders would have on the field.


Except Defenders only target missiles going to YOUR ship, not you fleet mates.



Well theres your problem right there.
Culmen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-18 01:15:30 UTC
Valerie Tessel wrote:
[quote=Daneirkus Auralex]
It would be cool to have antimissile frigates or the future equivalent of aegis systems.

You know that could be a use for the mining frigate and defender missile.
Come to think of it a frigate sized logi might be interesting to watch.

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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-04-18 01:36:54 UTC
Op you forgot FoF missiles.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Culmen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-04-18 01:47:55 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Op you forgot FoF missiles.

I actually use FOFs for Guristas missions or any where you can expect not to lock for long periods of time.

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Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2012-04-18 01:48:53 UTC
Small Shield Extender
50mm Armor Pates
100mm Armor Plates.
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