EVE General Discussion

Should be interesting to see the exact details and what CCP derp'd about (if anything) when designing them.

Should also be interesting to see if there is any change in distribution. I will have to remember to bug Diagoras after a couple months about this.

Good first step. Next they should remove them from hisec completely.

can someone explain to me whats so wrong with getting rich in a safe environment? do you people care about our business that dearly? You follow us, mock us, insult us, yet i bet half your contacts rely on Incursions in EvE. Maybe you havent played incursions. Maybe you werent picked up because you had a bad fit. But why do many of you detest what I see as an oppurtunity. To say this in the most respectful manner, the ones who detest us, mock us, insult us, and complain about us truly are blind. EVE wasnt made for us to go all shoot each other. Its a game, and the last time i checked, games are supposed to be fun.

Stop and think what game it is that you're playing. If you can't see the problem with the above question, you're what's wrong.

Pond Scum learned to talk? WOW!!!!!

Incursions is not the isk faucet you GOONS make it sound like. Bounty rewards are the highest of all of the isk faucets.

It is agreeable that the Incursions need some tweaking. what ever happens you will still be butt hurt over it cause you fail at makin isk the legitimate way.

Now as for Incursions being risk free. if you have not ever ran one then you have no idea how much risk is involved. I have seen the flaunted marauders get popped in Assaults or HQ sites. Logi ships whether they are Oni, gaurd, basi, scimmi get popped. all of this is due to one reason. you failed to listen to the FC, fail to broadcast you need some reps of some sort, fail to put on a decent tank for the Assault/HQ sites.

So do not go talk about it not being risk free. after all you GOONS + Friends are still around thumping your chest like some caveman with no brain......oh you already do that

Raid grinding? never thought of that but then again i tend to try and block out my WoW days. Still kinda hurts the brain.

I still think you are missing something i must dig for them handy dandy graphs that CCP did up on the ISK thing while everyone who has jumped on the brainless GOON band wagon has done nothing really to research this natural thing of people coming together and having.

But it is for the GOON and their personality disorder (alts) to bully their way around and ruin the game for others. it is not just one person or group to tell you or me how to play or where to play. From what i have seen a few of the power block alliances wish to make the lives of those who play in empire space miserable hence the sand box. The sand box play style has changed over the years to the point you have 0.0 space folks hiding behind blue shields saying that all the money should be out there. you have the low sec pirate who want to be able to blow anyone up anywhere they go. and Empire guys just wanna be left alone as they learn how to play or play the way they want.

So the empire does not make as much isk in the incursion but have ya looked at the low sec incursion? more risk then empire more isk. 0.0 incursion more risk then low sec but also more isk.

Why are these not ran? Well pirates will just shoot anything in low sec for juicy kill mails. 0.0 will shot you cause you are not blue and to get blue to must pay tribute

As for the bounty rewards most of it was generated in them Sanctum/Havens in 0.0 space. maybe these need to be relooked at and nerfed

Actually some of us who agree with, and have been arguing in favor of, the incursion tweaks for months have done an extremely large amount of background research. Considerably more research than just looking at a recent dev post and going "that number is larger than the other one".


The problem is that giving everyone what they want isn't a good methodology when it comes to game design, in a game like Eve you have to accept that alterations to one aspect or mechanic will have far reaching repercussions on other elements.

Take, for example, incursions. Their introduction may seem like a nice way for high sec players to make large amounts of ISK, but then null sec players move their alts in to high sec and begin making ISK risk free. Null sec, as a result, becomes somewhat empty and meaningless.


No, you must pay tribute because you are a renter. The rest of us fight for our space.

And the reason low sec incursions are rarely run is because the risk does not match the reward, again because high sec incursions are broken in terms of balance. Given the extra logistical challenges, time spent docked up due to hostiles and the inability to use shiny fleets put together in public channels people actually rarely make more ISK running them in low sec.


Why? You make less ISK running sanctums in a carrier than you do running incursions, and it's considerably more hassle. I also strongly suspect the amount of ISK made via bounties will drop dramatically when they bring in the titan nerf.

But besides that bounties come from high/low/null sec missions, they come from high/low/null sec exploration and null sec belt ratting/anomalies. CCP Recurve may also have included sleeper blue loot in the figures he provided, but he didn't provide a detailed enough break down for us to tell.

In comparison incursion incomes is made almost solely in high sec, by a disproportionately small percentage of Eve's total population.

Anyway, having said all that I do agree with making null more dangerous, local intel desperately needs to be replaced with a true intel tool.

no, Id doubt thatd ever happen
closed minds and all that

Translation: I'm butthurt and everybody else should be too *sniff*

Get a grip

your hisec incursion isk is sh*t