EVE General Discussion

It's tedious, it's unfunny, crap reward for the time spent. It's probably the reason why there are so many players around here playing with their society of dozen alts.

Killing rabbits in a pvp wow server is funnier and rewarding.

It really is terrible. Definitely one of the things that needs to be looked at and revamped.

Indeed.

I'm assuming new players still train twice as fast at first right?

They need a tutorial that explains you don't need max skills in everything to be highly competitive. It might keep people from listening to those well intentioned idiots that insist you can't do anything in game until X level with everything.

Why no more players? Because EVE is very VERY slow paced game, in all aspects. It also happens to be quite complex. So you have kids whose attention span is too short to play it, and on the other side mature folks with job/family/other regular RL duties who just cannot afford enough time to dedicate to EVE.

Yeah i often hear "you need level V of this". Really..... people just need to go out and play, level V's will come eventually and one dosent need perfect skills to go out and kill rats or do missions or trade and start learning the market.

Everytime I hear the "needed level 5" line i kick in and say "no, you dont".

Sure, a player will be less effetive, but i would rather try and die than to log in and off into a station while paying my sub.

Although the population continues to grow I will agree on one thing, education in the realities of EVE is key to player retention.

We could probably stand to have a trailer made that showcases a streetwise industrialist or miner on an average day, avoiding scams and gank attempts with a fair but firm hand, ending in how he reacts (and begins preparations to deal with) a war declaration on his small industrial corp.

If done right it could open the eyes of many a new player as to the real things they need to be aware of, and perhaps even make them aware of the fact that the game can be alot of fun even without a large laundry list of maxed out skills.

Don't worry. Even when there were only 7k players on at peak Eve was still a great game to play. In some ways it was even more fun and less predictable. Eve could loose 50%+ of its playerbase and still play just fine. CCP would probably have to abandon Dust and WoD, but heck, that would be fine with most of us methinks.

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…and even that part is questionable. Yes, a player will be less effective with all lvl III and IV than with all V, but only by maybe 10 percent or so and it only takes him one fifth the time to get there.

I'd rather argue that in the very beginning, a player will be far more effective by aiming for III:s and IV:s than for IV:s and V:s. A while ago, there was this discussion in the skill forum about what you could get for the least amount of time spent, and I was kind of surprised at what I could squeeze in if the goal was just pure performance rather than high skill levels.

The really dramatic “no, you don't” lies between lvl IV and V — training for many weeks rather than a few days just to get another 4 percent on some particular piece of equipment — but the same argument holds true for the step between III and IV, if only to a lesser degree (the relative increase is higher, lvl iV:s often unlock a lot of new skills and equipment, but you train for days instead of hours). It's this kind of cost-benefit knowledge that new players really need be taught, so they can start picking sensible short-term goals for their training.

No, they got rid of that as part of the pre-incursion patch that nuked learning skills. They figured that the fast training was only ever used to get the learning skills done anyway, so newbies would come out roughly the same at the end, only they could start from day one with decent attributes.

No, but fortunately the level of hysteria has dropped to tolerable levels, and more people have been educated on what "Cyber Bullying" actually is.

Cyber Bullying is a serious issue. Applying that term when the only thing mentioned was the gentlemans in game character name, of a 42 year old adult, who wasn't even aware of what was going on much less being victimized because of it, completely dilutes the term into little more than a joke.

Looking out for actual victims of Cyber Bullying is a very worthwhile endevour.

Going on a hysteria driven crusade over something not remotely related to Cyber Bullying (whether through ignorance or ulterior motive) is more than a little sad.

Most have realized this and let it drop, perhaps you should save your dignity and do the same.

Now stop derailing the thread.

Literally millions of people joined WoW because of Wc3. If Eve had as many crossovers as WoW it would be the second biggest MMO out.