Ships & Modules

Supposed to be titans only for now, but I would love to see something to the effect of:

Titan = 2000
Capital = 1200
Battleship = 700
Battlecruiser = 400
Cruiser = 100
Destroyer = 50
Frigate = 20

<3 you Greyscale. Good work.

From the time dreads were introduced up until now, that has always been the case. Despite that, blapping dreads have never been a problem simply due to the fact that coordinating all that EW with the very slow and limited locks on more then a very small number of targets at a time - just like any other fleet can do as well. The difference is that they become ineffective as soon as those Rapiers/Huginns die.
Why? Because, unlike current titans, they half as fast, they can't be remote repped, they lock slower and they have way less tank. Kill the dreads support and they're sitting ducks, up until now that wasn't the case for titans supported by SCs.

Dreads weren't popular in the past b/c they didn't have: T2 mods which allow 3 targets, 5 minute siege timers, and more range and damage with close range guns. Even after all those changes came out, titans were the defacto I win, so why would dreads be used.

You somehow think alliances won't exploit them next when titans get the nerfbat?

Greyscale, you never answered why this fix would do anything productive to stop titan blobbing? I can short answer it for you with the simple fact that it doesn't. You further didn't address the larger issue of this negatively affecting player choice in game. It does hugely. Why do you keep avoiding the can of worms you opened? Just once, I'd like to see you justify what you hope to get out of this patch that actually addresses any of the issue. Why should I not drop 20-40 titans on an enemy battleship blob if I can still find ways to get super high damage and not experience a threat?

Furthermore, can we get a concrete statement that this will not be the permanent change and that you will go back and fix the tracking formula, or are you going to pull the old time Dev trick of, we'll just have to see what happens?
I've yet to understand why you know the tracking formula is the bigger issue, but you've wasted 5 weeks by the time it launches on this crap when you could have spent that same 5 weeks fixing tracking.

Greyscale, I never asked for a private chat. But there has been a documented history at your company of other events occuring that were published after the fact.

I think saying the forums are your only means of communications with the players outside of an expensive trip to Iceland or a fictitious representation by the CSM, a group who has little real weight on decisions in this game and usually very marginal expertise in a specific part of gameplay as a whole entity, is pretty bad.

Use technology to your advantage. There's skype, IRC, video conferencing, and a host of other tools at your disposal that are not "Private meetings" where you can pool together a group of players who are heavily experienced in this field to actually hash out what the problems are, and a variety of means to fix those problems. And any one of those solutions is better than a forum polluted with many people who have never even been in an event with Supers, less not had to manage them in some capacity.

I think there's maybe 2 people on the entire CSM who have had any extensive use of titans in the past, and one of them is responsible for the last welp fix because by his own admission, he was self serving in his titan buff changes.

You've got more than just me on this forum saying artificial damage reduction is not a good option and opens up a can of worms.

Your entire company has a history of not effectively communicating with the player base.

And this is the companies 4 or 5th attempt to fix supers.


I appreciate all the time you've spent reading this forum in the first place. It's certainly an effort the company as a whole has lacked for years. But maybe it's not enough bro.

Archon with titan and gang link bonuses and a +5% armor implant can get somewhere between 3-5 million ehp to tank depending on exact fitting choices and damage types.

Without using expensive halo implants, you can still easily get a carrier down to 1600 sig, meaning damage reduction, and the ability to tank at least 1 doomsday assuming multiple doomsdays were synced. For a ship with massive spider tank potential, this is a huge threat to the imbalance caused by sig damage reduction effects. It's only one of about 4-6 problems I can think up off hand with this idea for a fix.

This same issue can apply to dreads out of siege, which reinstates the 2004-8 problem of capital ships online. The one current counter to capital ships online is the maelstrom blob simply because they can alpha through them.

However, adjustments are already being made by alliances to adapt to the maelstrom blob by enhancing EHP of capital ships. Instead of the old 200 for alpha rule, Capitals are approaching 400 maelstroms required for alpha with adjusted fittings. Anyone with marginal FC experience knows how exponential more difficult it is to get more pilots to sync fire, especially across 2 different fleets.

And since Carriers a blob of 100 carriers out of triage can still burst repair 150,000 ehp with just 1 repairer, and 300,000 ehp with 2, this means that you can take any normal capital ship from 0 to full armor on just 1 burst cycle of repair.... well short of a 2nd volley from 400 maelstroms.

Can... meet worms.

WTB developers who can understand the game instead changing values and rules as testing.

Well said on the numbers, but remember that just because 1 DD won't alpha the archon if boosted right (+1 for strategy, yay!), that doesn't mean that 2 or 3 cannot be used at the same time. While alpha'ing a basi requires more than one ship, fleets manage to do it. No one says it has to be easy. That's half the fun in it. Carriers should be no different. The fact that as few as 2 or 3 ships can alpha a carrier actually ruins the strategic aspect of the game. The "massive spider tank potential" is scaled with the ship EHP, but the far more massive alpha available against it per ship is not scaled with ship EHP. To be honest, I think that a carrier should only be able to be alpha'd by 50 dreads or 20 Titans. Otherwise, they must fight the dps war or use EW or some other strategy where you actually think beyond the F1 key.

Looks pritty balanced to me :) + the titans will have hard time to actually hit the dictors because of tracking and lock time, unless it's a bad dictor pilot

While posing a question to answer a question is usually bad form, is restricting the role of tackling supers to heavy dictors something that you are ok with? Are you ok with a titan being able to hit and easily pop destroyer class hulls? Does a dictor still have an appropriate role after this?