Ships & Modules

I'm not suggesting they are not useful, I just think it would be a better ship with more mid slots. A 5-5-5 configuration would be sexy as hell.

Most likely a combination of Minmatar design-philosophy with utility highs and it being based off the Rupture that has a similar slot allocation (and primarily see the light of day as an armor-platform).

Apart from that i think Cipher has already nailed the thread from post #2 onwards.

Why are the lot of you trying to streamline perfectly functional ships? The AF has recently seen changes so they may still have some evaluation issues, but the Muninn has always been powerful within it's class and the slot allocation has always made sense in it's role as a sniper. The lowslots for fitting options, and since the mobile sniping trend for both mobility and tracking.

Going over the different waves and incarnations of the ship even the utility slots have seen a useful, rich and varied use; that made sense. From missiles as anti-tackle point defense in combination with drones (and later tracking ammo changes) back in the day when HACs were still used to break through camps; to drone-enhancers when sniping got more stapled, but faction-fit Recons were not yet as common (and you'd assign drones to forward tackle; Dics and Ceptors, from your sniper spot), to the recent things Black Legion outlined in a recent Muninn thread, with a smartbomb firewall.

Not that i see that as more useful than sniping BC still, as was claimed in that thread, but - within it's class - it's still undeniably one of the better and more thought-out creations. Compare that to ships that can't even fit their slots, or have the odd loose slot here and there that make no sense in combination with everything else it does. That's why the comparison with a Zealot's slots isn't very reasonable. The Muninn's utility kinks always made some sense, with it's drones and weapons, and got utilized. The Muninn survived many incarnations, even if it's role is a bit in question today, after "those new ships".

The Muninn have always seen use from early post-nano/nano and proto-SHACs to the height of the SHAC (Zealot) era, to early proto-alpha sniper revival (Machacs etc) to the sniper-profileration of today. If i'd bring a HAC like that today, just as then, it would either be a Muninn or Zealot. Everything else is just sweeping class-role issues.

+1

I've flown all three and wouldn't change a thing. There is versatility in their eccentricities. I've probably flown the Claw more than any other ship. A couple times I even flew it well. But it is FUN to fly. And that trumps all other considerations.

Those extra two high slots on the Munin are a gift. Neuts, drone range augmentors, cloaks, salvagers, tractors, missiles, the list goes on what you can throw on there depending on what you want to do. And those artys hit hard. Being able to fit more artys in those slots would just overpower it. (What? a minnie pilot says he doesn't need more guns?)

OK, I admit I'd like another mid-slot on the Wolf, but it's a gun boat. Fit it and rig it like one. "Problem" solved.

You get a BPC for one when you fail to invent a Stiletto

Muninn is kind of an odd ship, it's primary function is either to be a lackluster sniper HAC, or a ghetto armor hac. Due to the introduction of tier 3 BC's, sniper hac's really have fallen out of flavor by everyone except Black Legion. Tier 3's can do pretty much everything a sniper hac can do, but better. Except for killing frigates. And a zealot does everything the muninn can, but a whole lot better for ahacs.

Armor hac's shine if used effectivly, however the zealot is far better than the muninn in every aspect for this type of fleet comp. The muninn seems to be lacking a role which it can fulfill effectively. I think the solution to change things up a bit is this, give it a 4th mid slot and possibly a bit of CPU and PG to accommodate the change.

Reason being is this: With a 4th mid slot this would provide access to something the zealot cannot do as well for armor hac's: More EWar. AHAC gangs tend to run all sorts of EWar modules in their mid slots. Points, Projected ECCM, Tracking Disruptors, Sensor damps, hell even possibly remote sensor boosters are all fairly common to have on an ahac. Having an AB, TC, Tracking Disruptor and Projected ECCM would greatly increase the usefulness of a muninn in an ahac gang.

As for a sniper hac gang, an additional mid slot would enable it to fit another TC, invuln, Sebo, shield extender ect. While at the same time not overshadowing the vaga or cane if someone chooses to fit a munnin out like a vaga or cane. Vaga's speed bonus makes it unique in it's own way, munnin is designed for more dps / alpha. But not quite as much dps as a cane. Plus the reduced capacitor amount on a muninn in comparision to a cane leaves it more vulnerable to neuts, as well as using them.

Simply adding a 4th mid slot to the muninn could possibly give it unique edge over some of the other ships that fulfill similar roles.

That would be nice. I'd love to have a reason to refit the Muninn's I've been hauling around for years.

Artillery + 1600mm plate doesn't fit too well.