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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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RAP ACTION HERO
#4341 - 2012-04-17 04:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.

vitoc erryday
Flamespar
WarRavens
#4342 - 2012-04-17 05:01:05 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
oh god spare us please don't escalate.

Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.


It's probably worth mentioning that there is nothing in the NeX store that you can't buy with ISK.
FoxFire Ayderan
#4343 - 2012-04-17 07:28:18 UTC
Wow. I never realized there was so much consternation over WiS.

*sigh* Well... I do hope that CCP continues with plans to put it in.

Maybe it could be an entirely separate game, but I would primarily like that if it was completely linked with EVE, and could be accessed seamlessly as if you're in the same game, including the chat channels, market, Corporations, etc...

Though I suspect that perhaps my vision of what WiS could be surpasses what is feasible.

In the meantime, social areas on the Stations would be nice to have.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4344 - 2012-04-17 13:16:20 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.


Switch off CQ. Problem solved.
RAP ACTION HERO
#4345 - 2012-04-17 13:57:16 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
oh god spare us please don't escalate.

Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.


It's probably worth mentioning that there is nothing in the NeX store that you can't buy with ISK.

well they can easily exclude nex-purchased starbase charters from the general isk-based market.

vitoc erryday
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4346 - 2012-04-17 15:29:07 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
oh god spare us please don't escalate.

Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.



You are trolling right?

the Nex should never be in EVE
The only thing the NEXfail could be useful for is maybe as a link between EVE and DUST

R.S.I2014
drdxie
#4347 - 2012-04-17 19:42:03 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.


Switch off CQ. Problem solved.


I have Blink but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play Lol

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4348 - 2012-04-17 20:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
drdxie wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.


Switch off CQ. Problem solved.


I have Blink but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play Lol


Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4349 - 2012-04-17 20:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Let's discuss the NEX issue. Team Avatar has not mentioned anything about nex, I would like to have a few words from the devs on whether access to future wis features would require nex payment. Wis could be useful as an avenue of inflation control. Lets say a corp room requires a monthly starbase charter priced 7000 aurems, that would be two plexes, then that's about 1 billion removed from the economy; while plexes purchased explicitly for wis features would never enter circulation.



I have nothing against the NEX store in principle. When it was first released, i just felt that CCP had priced me out of a new feature buy charging the ammout they did and the whole thing felt like a huge waste anyway, as we had no public avatar areas to show off to other people

If WIS would had been delivered as promised I think both it and the NEX store would have been a success. I could see people willing to trade their plex for AUR so that they could enter the poker tournaments in Jita or gamble for prizes in a Somer blinks style interface in Dodixi... But this is not the case and will not be the case for some time to come, so the NEX store is essentially useless.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#4350 - 2012-04-17 20:55:50 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.


Switch off CQ. Problem solved.


as long as I can do this WiS doesnt concern me

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#4351 - 2012-04-17 20:58:19 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
drdxie wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.


Switch off CQ. Problem solved.


I have Blink but me being selfish would prefer CCP effort spent on other things rather than "Leisure suite Larry" type game play Lol


Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.


ur stuff I can have?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4352 - 2012-04-17 21:06:05 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.


ur stuff I can have?


Of course don't, I may need it in the future if CCP does their homework.
Ai Shun
#4353 - 2012-04-17 21:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.


Switch off CQ. Problem solved.


So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?

Problem not solved.

Quote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap.


Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game.

How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4354 - 2012-04-17 21:45:20 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:


Quote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap.


Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game.

How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time.


Abridged version: wanted to play X3 online, EVE was the nearest thing.

I didn't start playing EVE because i liked it, but because it was the only one.
RAP ACTION HERO
#4355 - 2012-04-18 04:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: RAP ACTION HERO
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:


Quote:
Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap.


Yeah, except those are aspects of the core EVE game and has been since the game was released. If you didn't want a part of that, why did you even try playing EVE? Radically different gameplay should go into a different game.

How many days until your sub runs out? You said April last time.


Abridged version: wanted to play X3 online, EVE was the nearest thing.

I didn't start playing EVE because i liked it, but because it was the only one.


took you three years? also what game are you going to (exit poll)?

vitoc erryday
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#4356 - 2012-04-18 04:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Ai Shun wrote:


So everyone that has no interest in a new game that will require a substantial amount of assets will be forced to download it, keep it updated and so forth?

Problem not solved.



I have an issue when Im being forced to load things I dont want.

Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Ai Shun
#4357 - 2012-04-18 05:42:51 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.


Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players.

Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them P
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4358 - 2012-04-18 06:42:31 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.


Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players.

Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them P


"I have nothing against green people, they're as much people as blue people. I just want them to have a green people land as it's better for them. Also this way we all, green and blue, will be happier instead of being forced to live together.

I just regret those die-hard greenists who came to this blue land and pretend to not be blue and force blue people to live along with green people"

You know, you're a cunning troll, but a troll nonetheless. Ignored.
RAP ACTION HERO
#4359 - 2012-04-18 07:46:41 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Valid point indeed, as I also prefer CCP spending my money in other things rather than wardecs, nullsec and other uninteresting crap. So my subs are cancelled until CCP delivers something i feel like paying for it again. Be it EVE or WoD, only time will tell.

now that's trolling

vitoc erryday
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4360 - 2012-04-18 09:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Ai Shun wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I have an issue when Im being forced to load **** I dont want.


Myself and a few others do want it though. Hence, the idea of a modular game that can be like an "Optional Expansion" for EVE or a stand-alone game with its own launcher seems like a good idea. It would suit both camps of players.

Of course, there are some die-hard WiS fetishists - those that seem to have come to EVE for WiS not wanting FiS - who don't see the need to compromise ... but hey ... nobody can help them P


I think you should give up on the idea of WiS being a stand alone game. It would be amazing if CCP made a RPG like Mass Effect, Skyrim or Fallout set in the EVE universe but that would involve a massive time and money investment from CCP... Besides, i doubt CCP would be capable of creating an RPG that could compete with the examples listed above without buying up another company.

There are multiple ways CCP could develop and expand WiS, most of which have been discussed in this thread at length but it looks like CCP have completely lost confidence in their original vision for WiS, made evident by the fact they are prototyping exploration content rather than station content.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...