Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I vote yes just because I have some of those random useless skills I never use!
once per account, a set SP could be refunded and respent.

How about a single skill removal for no SP return. Any kind of SP remap opens the floodgates to a whole slew of issues, and it doesn't really solve any kind of problem.

If people want to assuage their OCD and clean up their skill lists, then fine, but there's no need to inject huge cracks in the skill system just because people didn't plan properly. Live and learn and don't make the same mistake again.

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So I have been playing on and off (financial reasons) since 2008. I have just over 10mil SP however because I was for the most part on my own when I was playing and did not know much of things like EveMon or Battle Clinic I kind of just trained a little bit of everything. I fell victim to the learning curve and as a result I can not really fly anything very well except a Hulk because after giving up the second time I finally kind of knew what I wanted to do but still don't. At least I was smart enough to not just start over.

What I would like to see would be an option in the game to remap my SP just like I can remap my base stats. Now I am not saying I should be able to do this often because that would allow corps to have / require everyone to switch to one set of skills to do a stretch of mining then switch to pvp and doing so back and forth. No I am more talking on a one or two time a year or even 1 time per account remap that may or may not cost X PLEX.

It would not hurt any one rather it would allow players that made bad choices early in their characters life to undo those choices for skills they never use. Yes in real life if you go learn something and never use it you cant matrix it into something else but THIS IS A GAME and after all and you should be able to do what you want. You already put in the training time for the SP so why not.

This has been done on a small scale already when learning skills were taken out because it was slowing down training rather than speeding it up. So with a revisit on the system they used to do that I predict a remap system could be done in under 100 man hours.

People say this would hurt the value of selling characters. Well that is against the EULA in the first place. (http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=66) So its a mute point and should not matter in this discussion at all.

On another note why should I worry about a player with 100mil SP remapping. Let them fly a titan let them fly what ever they want. They still have to get the funding for the ship and the proper fleet support for the ship, and if all the vet players say "omg I can remap for a Titan" well they cant all have one, and a fleet of nothing but Titans would have no support and small fast fleets come take them down even if slowly. Those players would then find themselves having to retrain their prior roles and be on the same level as the new players again.

Summery It hurts no one. It allows OCD players to clean up messy skills. It allows newer players (around 1 year) to fix early mistakes. It allows older players (2-3 years) to choose a different role without putting in another say 2 to 3 years just to get on par with where they were. Allows vet players to not understand why people want this option because after FOUR years any little mistakes are lost in the SP.

Should i maybe have put a comma or a colon or "and it hurts no one because" and then the rest. Come on read the whole summery and not just cut off part of it so you can make a post that tries to make someone look dumb. Obviously you did not read my whole post.

FOTM is not an issue here we are talking a ONE TIME remap done over with never again. Not everyone will need / want to do it and if you dont want to or dont need to than dont but everyone i have talked to in my alliance and my corp agree that its a good idea so there are people that would like it. Just because you dont need it dosent mean others dont need it.

I challenge everyone who is against this idea to make a real list of the bad points; actually try with real reasons not "omg its bad because its bad" and list them here. The reasons can not in any way break the EULA and can not be personal hatred of the idea just because you hate it.

At the same time I challenge those same people to come up with reasons why it would be good. No fake reasons and again it can not break any of the EULA.

Then we can really look to see if this would work or not.

I can't figure a suggestion that would make this work. The best example I can come up with is this:

When learning skills were removed, I put Siege Warfare Specialist to V and Command Ships to V. There were some others, but those two stick out the most. We were preparing for Incursions and the ability to allocate those skill points just fell in our laps. It was so easy, it was great. Instantly prepared for action. I did not have to earn them, I did not have to wait the nearly two months for both. I just did it instantly.

This is an example of why this kind of thing shouldn't be implemented. I shouldn't be able to painlessly shift my SP around in order to give myself greater access to ships and areas of the game.

Though I'm firmly against this idea, I do have to admit to a curiosity of what it would be like to live in an Eve where every year or so corporations retooled their characters and completely changed their SOP. The Indy corp you hunted during the middle of the year suddenly retools to a combat corp and hunts YOU. Sounds like a dog eat dog world to me.

Still against it, but I'm curious.

Illogical.
In EVE emotional attributes which make you more receptive to specific types of learning are influenced by neural re-maps and implants. Nowhere in the current story does it suggest at any point that memory and experience can be implanted in to an individual.

For me, I wouldn't say this is so much a "fix" for wrongly trained skills or anything like that.

I would use this to remove skill points for ships and other crap that I don't use, don't want to use, or found out the hard way they suck.

For instance.. Marauders. They sound awesome for pve. However, once i got into one, I found out real quick that they suck against any type of ewar from npcs. Running caldari missions was practically undoable in the Golem when I had it cause i spent moost of my time jammed out.

Also, the orca. I trained for that thinking I would be a huge asset to any corp I joined. Now, everyone has one, they cost WAY too much for their use, and I would never get to use it cause my corp has like 5 locally.. Hell, they use them more for transporting crap than mining Ops.

I'm sure their are a ton of players out there who've trained for capitals, t2 battleships, etc. etc. that either have to wait in line to fly one, or there are so many of them out there that you're better suited in a different ship, or the ship just out right sucks.

None of these situations are the fault of the players. No ship should out right suck, and it's out of the players control that they can't fit into a fleet composition with the skills they've trained for because so many other people already have those skills.

So, it's not a fix for mistakes that we've made as players, but rather, a one time opportunity to take a different path that would assist not only you, but your corp/alliance.

I for one would drop all those skill points I waisted on the Golem and Orca and apply them somewhere more useful.

Did you ask your D&D GM to let you change your skills?