Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In a Role Playing Game if the answer to a technical problem is "train an alt to do that" that is sign #1 of a stupidly broken mechanic.

You should be able to play the game on one character, with the others only present to allow you to try out different paths.

I do think after you get above 50 mill for clones they be come costly
especially for those who don't have a niche to make oodles of isk. As a reasult they take fewer risks which means less targets to shoot.

If vets had cheap clones you would see them in small ships trying to take on Big ships for the Lols... there for providing more targets

as it is I am very risk adverse because the clone... not the implants cost so much to replace.

For combat clone I use simple +2s

As a "getting older" pilot that likes to fly frigate & dessie hulls, I agree that the clone prices should be balanced. When I pay as much for my base clone as my t2 ship, its a little annoying.

I don't know the best way to fix clone prices, but I think 20+ mil for a clone approaches unreasonableness, and I think 60m for a clone is ridiculous.

Realistically, the benefits of skillpoints already diminish exponentially (i.e. it takes exponentially more sp to get a small linear benefit). Why does the cost to keep those skillpoints have to rise exponentially too? Its a double whammy to the older players, and I don't understand why.

Another thing, while a beta player should have more choices for earning isk, they don't necessarily earn isk at a faster rate than a 1-2 year player. Both will typically make about the same isk running missions, incursioning, ratting, mining, etc.... The only real advantages an older player has is contacts with whom to work with, capital to invest, experience to know what is worth their time, and what is not. However, since their clone costs so much more isk, anything they do with a high likelyhood of clone loss essentially equates to a "tax" for being older... and it's not a minor, no big deal tax.... Especially for 100+m sp characters...


The underlying idea for clone pricing is alright... cheap for new players, and the price gets more expensive for older players... however, let it increase more reasonably....

Make the cost 100k~200k isk per million skillpoints...

A new player doesn't pay much... and an older player still pays a good amount.... 20m at 100m sp.... or 40m at 200m sp... but it's not a stupidly large amount....

Honestly, as a fairly high SP character, i find clone costs extremely reasonable; and if you dont want to worry about buying new clones, fly in low sec, because if you get podded there . . . i dont even know what to say to you.

The people who have no reservations about paying 30-80 mil isk for a hull to PvP with (not incl fitting costs) have issues paying 20 mil for clones...

Seriously...

This whine is just about making PvP more affordable/cheaper without meaning anything in terms of consequences.

So the F what?

IIRC soundwave said something about doing something about excessive clone costs at fanfest. Soundwave owns and loves fun, I'm sure he'll come up with a good solution.

Awesome.

ah, just to address a few people here,

Buzzy -
Its true that you may look at it as a broken mechanic, but i said its another answer, not the only one. part of flying small low hp ships is the fact that there is a pretty good chance of getting explodified, and possibly podded. the higher sp a character you have generally the more knowledge you have about the game, course you could have bought the character, and then well that's on you. but the knowledge of the game means that you should have some way to support yourself. clone costs are something you have to support in return for having more sp. you dont have to do that you know. its a trade off for the better abilities that you have. even if they arent relevant to the ship or play style you are used to. you can always use one character, but there are risks to everything, the reward you already know about, better skills.


Gizznitt Malikite -


as you get to older and more sp characters, you generally deal in progressively larger amounts of isk. because i imagine i know to a certain degree what it is that i am doing i can recoup my losses fairly easily. many people have a second character to fund their pvp habit. but not everyone does. ratting or plexing often is the main source of income. being older usually means you have contacts or links to larger groups (if you are pvping) the prices aren't that different then the ship/ fitting you will generally be in. i don't see the prices as being that absurd. if you make an effort to support yourself.
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Marlona Sky + Adunh Slavy
Because eve really likes to make you feel loss, when you feel loss it means you are invested emotionally. and when you are emotionally invested you keep playing to go find and kill that ******. or you sit and cry and never pick up the game again. the choice is yours, but you know when you do pod that guy, its a validating feeling, because its costing them.

Torothanax
Clone costs are not mandatory, in fact they aren't even required. You have to buy one distinctly, they aren't assigned automatically. however you will never stay dead unless you biomass. The risk is in everything. your ship, your fitting, your clone, your implants. where the hell did you get the idea that it wasn't in the clone too?



of course I know what happens when you don't buy a new clone, they get progressively cheaper. the way you wrote that makes it seem like you don't know what happens.

you always have a clone, always.
it doesnt always support your sp amounts.

Make clone upgrade costs as much as making a jump clone...

Cheap as hell.


This encourages pvp because people won't be scared of being podded then having to fork up.


Why would a 70mil SP pilot ever go into 0.0 with a cheap frigate if he has to pay a fortune if he dies in a bubble / next to an inty.