EVE General Discussion

thats stupid though..
you : i declare war on derp
me: k
you: i killed your structure i win
me: k

I'd say you are missing some fundamental parts of everyone vs everyone yourself. Simple things like knowing your targets, depriving them of what they want, and getting what you want all at the same time. An example involving wardecs:

I get a wardec. I look up my opponent. I see characters significantly older than mine who are very PvP active. My chances of doing serious damage with my character/players skills and numbers available are slim.

I have alts, those alts are spread out amongst different corps or some in NPC. Even without corp hopping I have an easy means to bypass your interference to a reasonable degree.

If I fight, I lose ships and productivity, if I don't you paid for nothing and I continue close to normal operations and I've effectively won.

You did get one thing right, it is sad when people don't know the basics.

No, no, no, nothing that awful — just something that's a bit silly. They're changing how you declare a war mutual (at least as of the last time it was mentioned). Right now, you can do it at any time, just to hammer the point home that the attacker picked the wrong target and now you're out for bloody vengeance. They've said that this will change so that you can only declare a war mutual during the first 24-hour wind-up period before the war actually goes active.

Most likely, this is due to the defender's ability to bring allies into the war, and they probably thought that it would be awfully mean if the defender could enlist half the galaxy and then, at the very last second and with all that backing secured, ensure that the original attacker cannot get out of it. This somewhat ties into Nyphur's complaint about corps “weaseling” out of their own failed wardecs.

However, since we are now being given a more fully-featured surrender mechanic, I simply don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to get revenge that way. Yes, they picked the wrong target, and yes, it turned out every corp north of HED-GP is now out to get them… so what? Tough luck — time to bite the bullet. Slink over to the defender's office, get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness. That sounds more like the way it should work.

I totally agree with how that should work. The sword should cut freely in both directions.

this is dumb because there will be
ITS A TARP
corps that look juicy, get decced, declare mutual then just play on alts for the rest of their lives.

Nothing is stopping a player from corp hopping into an alt corp. There is more than one form of dec-shield out there.




No it is not like saying it never happens. I know there shell corps out there, you know that there are shell corps out there. But he is stating that we are all alt corps and we only pick on weak players and industrials. That is factually wrong. We are the big bad boogy to many carebear corps and they commonly tell campfire stories about us to each other. How would a corp know what the other corp does once their own war has ended.





I've said it twice and I'll say it again, a corp is only as weak as they allow themselves to be. You don't want to do your homework on the people who are attacking you, fine. You don't want to seek help in removing the problem, fine. You don't want to learn how to fight, fine. You have the tools, if you choose not to use them then don't look to blame anyone but yourself.

In the real world, wars are fought for a reason, not for fun.

In the real world, wars can be lost by either side.

In the real world, the leader declaring a war faces severe consequences even if he wins the war.

And very specially, in the real world, most people who lose a war once can't wage war never again. War it's game over if you lose, and this is the bloody reason of all the above.

This is doubly the case, given that war history will be available for every corp under the new system

I might be wrong, but doesn't the surrender mechanic work both ways? Wouldn't that be something, the attacker surrendering...

That's pretty awesome. S***s about to get real. (...and by that I mean it's going to be a lot easier to see if other players are part of an organization that should be taken seriously and given a wide birth... or not.)