Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the problem with recycled alts is severely overstated — there's no point in doing that since it only means you lose training time, and since there's no reason not to keep a character you've trained up to sufficient level.

As for Hulks being taken out by a 2-week old character, that's not a problem either. It's in fact really good design: it means setup means more than age or “level”, and it is repeated throughout EVE. The problem is rather the opposite: the reason those exhumers can be ganked is because they're not set up properly — if they are, then a 2-week old character will not be able to do much.

…and exhumers are made to withstand even a pretty nasty rat spawn. Just like oil rigs can't stand up to sabotage (be it blowing up the struts or lighting a match in an irresponsible manner), exhumers can't stand up to attacks from military ships.

Yes, this gives gankers a reason to try to find out out the standings of a person, since the higher their standings, the better a target they will be. Faction police is evadable, destructible, and generally fun to shoot at. CONCORD is none of those. So you got your idea a bit backwards (and as CCP has quite clearly stated that the delay is there with the explicit intent of giving gankers more time to kill the target, they're not going to reduce it like that).

No no no and no, at MOST! i could see the victim getting the insurance from the ganker...

Making gankers pay their victim for the loss is a dumb idea.
So the victim never loses much of anything, no matter what?
Some cheap modules and the ore content of their ship?

The only thing I support are more gameplay penalties for being a ganker:

Ie the possibility of more unwanted PvP (or at least unplanned) by allowing other players to shoot those with low sec status without concord intervention - potentially killing the ganker before he does any ganking.
Lower the threshold for a sec status that allows people to shoot a pirate unprovoked - so that player combat between combat ships may happen before ganking an unarmed ship, or before faction police/concord get involved.

More PvP, but yet it makes it safer for those not seeking combat with high sec status. Gankers now need to worry about being ganked themselves by a vigilante, who will be fit much better since its not a suicide gank (since concord won't intervene).

Allow pod killing of pirates - let players take their revenge and make high sec a more dangerous place, rather than have concord punish them for killing the pod of a pirate.

Don't let pirates dock in high sec stations, no more ship swaps, or easy access to the market- step out of your pod and set foot on a station in high sec = get arrested.
Of course, alts will simply supply the needed ships and equipment, but this makes the logistics of being a pirate in high sec more challenging.

More gameplay challenges for Pirates.
An arbitrary wallet subtraction is no fun.


This does what exactly?
Through the Buddy program, I can make all the alts I want without trial restrictions, that least for 51 days before transferring all their assets to my main and being discarded.
I don't do that because I don't have the time or the motivation, but if I was going to bother making trial accounts for ganking, I would make the effort to extend their duration by 30 days and remove the restrictions, at no cost.

Two things you're missing, OP, is how much those gankers feel driven to shoot you down, and how much you can do to protect yourself. Ganking isn't as easy as we make it look. I think it's a tad easier to gank exhumers than it should be, but you should also learn what you can do to stay safe. Don't fit your ship with modules and cargo that are too expensive for the amount of EHP you have, or you make yourself a target for profiteering gankers. Mine in higher security systems to decrease CONCORD response time - you can mine your favorite highsec ores in 0.7 space, and veldspar always has a decent price, and you can mine that anywhere. Also, if you mine in missions or gravimetric sites in highsec, you're usually not going to be bothered at all unless there is jaspet in your site.

The other day I was fussing about how easy it is to gank hulks because I had seen a guy popping hulks repeatedly, each time with a lone catalyst. But I went and ganked one with a friend of mine-both of us in catalysts (tech 1 fit)-and it took us about 14-15 seconds to finish off the hulk. On the kill report, it showed that the idiot pilot had tried to protect it with a small shield booster, a shield recharger, and two cargo expanders. He could have literally doubled his EHP by sticking a damage control and 2-3 hardeners on, heck a thermic and kinetic hardener will thwart the most common type of gank ship. And that would have meant we'd have failed the gank, with a considerable amount of HP left to go through.

It's not rocket science. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose they say, well I say don't fly what you don't know how to fit properly.

Yes, and so is concord. I've often thought that suicide ganking has got to mightly **** concord off.. not because they want to "uphold the law" (though there may be some of that) but rather because the ganker is circumventing concords chief money maker, the wardec. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find concord come up with something stiffer to discourage people from stealing from them.