Player Features and Ideas Discussion

isnt the hisec areas jsut where concord hangs out? the 4 races each have there own part of area within the space concord patrols.

but really want my FW upgrades, better system.. oh yay

I am not really opposed to your idea, but I see no point making it worth it, either. You have yet to explain why you think localizing Eve would be a good idea (aside for a handful of risk-adverse "pvpers" who don't envision pvp behond a low-sec gate camp, that is)...

I've bolded it to help you see more clearly.
You specifically state, that the "fact" that it has been "voiced since forever", is a reason to implement it.




Why do people post on the forum?
1) for a laugh.
2) because they want changes.
3) because they've just been ganked and want to vent their feelings, which are usually totally out of place.

Having said that, we can conclude that most people are perfectly happy with the way the game works, otherwise there would be way more people posting here.

This is a computer game.
This game is CCP's main source of income.
This is not a country.

Having said that, we can conclude the following:
CCP will NEVER do what the minority wants, just because the minority "voted" to do so, since that will most likely ruin their most important source of income.

However, if CCP were to implement an in game MANDATORY poll on the issue ( or issue's ) this becomes a completely different ballgame.
If the majority voted to go this route, then by all means, implement it asap.



Now there's a guy who actually makes a valid point, but i think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, don't know the numbers though.

Considering it's CONCORD that secures space, and tensions would be highest between warring faction, meaning there would be the highest CONCORD presence on rival faction borders, technically wouldn't sec status there be higher?

Perhaps it would be a good idea to read the lore. This idea doesn't fit.

Then, there is also the trade bubble that it would cause in each region.. and the gate camps trying to control empire markets from low sec... yeah that would be good ..sic. Some minerals would become very much harder to get in regions of empire..

Frankly, I think it's not a good idea.. but if this change happened to make it in some people would become very rich over it.

P.S. this is not a new idea.

EITHER the people making posts are the vocal minority who shouldn't be listened to OR you accept that, on average, both sides of the story will be decently covered by the people who post. You can't change you stance on this when it suits you, consistency and all that.

Back to the topic at hand: it would be good for the game if it wouldn't advocate half-afk play styles by making them worthwhile, like mining, hauling and related stuff. Not saying they shouldn't be allowed but there should be an incentive to actually play the fricking game. In this case local traders will do the easy station stuff while people who specialise in hauling also have a part and play their role, more so than now. That also means that mining should become more interactive, first of all that probably means less bots and less people running 17 thousand accounts, meaning the normal guy or starter can make good isk with mining. Making stuff easy isn't good, it's long term bad. It's like incursions: easy money thus bad.

So, dividing up the empires means there's opportunities for people who are willing to take (calculated) risks in order to make a few extra bucks. It also makes sense from a lore point of view and it makes more well rounded corps who interact with others better suited for overall game play, rather than the "we only carebear" fake zombie/alt corps. The simple fact that this hampers existing setups and play styles is here nor there because those are based on lazy/easy game play.

Lets be honest, all these "reasonings" people use, about it being bad for newbies and all that, is all just nonsense, the real issue is that it would mean change and them having to put in more effort, that's all it is.

You're obviously evading.

Uit positie gelult.

I would rather cancel my account then be locked to one region region of highsec. Let me explain the several deities that exist in order

- CCP on the top
- Whiney players with wallet money, forcing CCP to fire 20% of its staff (too soon to remember that ?) to make change
- Sensor resolution
- Carebears
- Rest of the game that thinks...it works fine, you stupid chumps

If you notice in the middle, Sensor Resolution which makes you go...W T F ? you talking about? Add to that humans obssesive compulsive nature to sit at a watering hole in a blind and wait like its 1999 for the Ghoul Lord to spawn at a jump gate. Yeah, I would much rather quit the game entirely then bother with the Gods called high scan resolution which wins everytime and why I will not bother visiting lowsec anymore since a fast align frig failed causing me to belive that even a cloak and MWD trick will never work (until I see a rant to nerf it), nothing gets by competent gate games or lazy f*cks with smart bomb battleships. You guys win, CONGRATS. Keep lowsec, its a shithole.

Oh, and do you know what a militia is? Its a civilian army, which are not paid for their service but under a patriotic bullshit assumption with their pride that "its the right thing to do" so they will throw themselves into the line of fire. EVE empires are not at war...if anything its a Cold War (third expansion BTW) where all sides are not actively fighting its just a bunch of non-existant dudes we never see (outside mission agent pics) who are supposedly at high tension, high alert, and an arms race of ships they don't even use (lol, never seen them use any tier 3 BS or Tier 2 BC). See, these civillain armies are basicly Joe Chumps that like to put on the theme song to Top Gun and find some LARP reason to shoot people "for Da Mother Land!" and "Big Brother Wants me!". In the real world, these Top Gun dudes think they are protecting borders and killing innocent people because they belive their nation is failing but in EVE, you don't need a reason to shoot people and its possible anywhere but docked up (we don't need to change that). So, EVE is fine as is and you need to get over it.

Erm, not it isn't.

Please look at the picture I uploaded on page 1.

You'll see from that there would be so many routes between hubs that gate campers would not truly exist, as there would not be one single point of entry and exit [so to speak] between hubs.

There may be a 'fastest' route, but not one route.

People may gate camp, but facing facts; what would be the point when multiple routes exist? They would be easily avoided, and have to work to get their targets.

My suggestion, if anything, would remove camping and increase the population of low sec.

Not only this - but null sec would also have the very real potential of having multiple entry points into their space, as one entity would be able to go from north-south or east-west without hitting high-sec, making jump bridge tactics way more interesting - not to mention general fleet movements.

This must be preferable to a circular system where the only transit routes are clockwise or counter-clockwise.

In general, it would give you:

more traffic in low sec
decrease low-sec risk
increase industrial opportunity
increase trade routes exponentially
increase null sec tactics
increase corporate opportunity
increase PvP opportunity [at all levels]

Arguments about reducing high sec are weak, to be honest, as I'm sure many already limit themselves to a handful of systems anyway...high, low and null.

You need to ask why this is. Why do people stay in only a few systems? Resources? Opportunity? Comfort zone?

By partioning high sec into hubs, you get more opportunity, more resources and a very very solid comfort zone by the fact of a massive increase in in/out points.

More importantly, the mandate from CCP is risk versus reward.

I can't think of a negative to this; but I'm happy to hear of any.

AK

Increasing lowsec trafic does NOT decrease risk dumbass. The more people in a given area the higher the chance that one of them is going to want you dead. Especialy if killing you doesn't garentee that they are going to get killed by the npc police. Also INCREASING the use of "nullsec tactics" would mean more hotdrops, blaping titans (they aren't going away in the next expansion so get over it) and general blueballing. Also lowsec is esentaily restricted space for freighters and orcas. They are simply too slow and cumbersome to defend.
/5 A.M rant