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Remove all highsec faction crossings.

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Hroya
#21 - 2012-04-16 11:59:15 UTC
what about jumpclones then ?

You go your corridor but.
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-16 12:10:16 UTC
Hroya wrote:
what about jumpclones then ?


They'd have to be removed. How else would scrub pirates get targets?
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-16 12:15:02 UTC
CCP could really go all out with this.

- Once you fall into a negative security rating, there are no means to redeem yourself. Let the sins label the pilot for all of time.

- Each empire will allow market transactions to pilots of their race and positive faction pilot allies. Thus the brokers in Jita will only sell goods to Caldari pilots and those Amarrians with a positive rating. Perhaps CCP could create a new set of skills to allow non-racial pilots to set-up shop, but with fees and taxes multiple times higher than the home racial counterparts.

- Each empires' military voids any potential monetary transactions to another of a different racial empire. Or better still - go one step further and label both as traitors to their people with the negative status to boot. Thus a Caldari alt trying to pass money to a Gallente main will have both characters labeled as traitors to both empires.

Of course, all of this is avoided doing direct trades in low (and null) security space.

Just some ideas at the moment - make low truly voided by high sec, but also the barrier too.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-04-16 12:32:24 UTC
Schalac wrote:
With boosts to FW coming and incursions getting retolled, I think all highsec to highsec faction jumps should be removed. From now on if you want to go to another races sovereign space you have to do so through lowsec.


Needless to say, this is negative to High Sec and potentially positive to Null Sec.

As all changes should be.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-16 12:33:14 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
CCP could really go all out with this.

- Once you fall into a negative security rating, there are no means to redeem yourself. Let the sins label the pilot for all of time.

- Each empire will allow market transactions to pilots of their race and positive faction pilot allies. Thus the brokers in Jita will only sell goods to Caldari pilots and those Amarrians with a positive rating. Perhaps CCP could create a new set of skills to allow non-racial pilots to set-up shop, but with fees and taxes multiple times higher than the home racial counterparts.

- Each empires' military voids any potential monetary transactions to another of a different racial empire. Or better still - go one step further and label both as traitors to their people with the negative status to boot. Thus a Caldari alt trying to pass money to a Gallente main will have both characters labeled as traitors to both empires.

Of course, all of this is avoided doing direct trades in low (and null) security space.

Just some ideas at the moment - make low truly voided by high sec, but also the barrier too.


Are you a Null Bear?

What's the matter, need more Pets so your leader can RMT a bigger car?
Whitehound
#26 - 2012-04-16 12:51:04 UTC
Oh noes, my trading business ... X

How do I move billions of tritanium without a freighter and only a stealth hauler to Jita? Oops

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#27 - 2012-04-16 12:58:20 UTC
Hroya wrote:
what about jumpclones then ?


Jump clones wouldn't be effected at all. The only change I offered up was lowsec between the different empires.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-04-16 13:00:21 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Are you a Null Bear?

What's the matter, need more Pets so your leader can RMT a bigger car?


After nearly five years in the starter npc corp, yes, I am quite a Null Bear player... Roll

Over the years, I have read numerous threads similar to this one. Unfortunately, they have become so biased into the mindset that "you have to play my way" that their view on balance has been skewed. If a player wants to create a scenario where there is a region of low sec between the empires, then let there be a set of changes that would affect all players, and not just the players the proposed topic creator wants to infringe upon others.

Basically, cut out the bullshit using alts to get around the rules.

If a player wants to live in low sec and prey upon players attempting to get between empires...

If a player wants to freely pod players left, right, and center...

If a player wants to be this big, bad ass tough guy...

...then let that player deal with his (or her) actions without the help of a damn alt!

You need ammo, modules, or a ship - then hope someone sells something in your neighborhood market. Money gets tight and you need a flush of ISK? Then do not rely upon your positive alt to grind for you and casually transfer it without penalty.

Let the player's action dictate their own faith besides the faith of those they interact with.
Mark Androcius
#29 - 2012-04-16 13:04:02 UTC
Once again ( no offense ) this is very self centered talk.
This would ONLY play into the hands of the PVP orientated players.

Whether or not you think this is what EVE is about anyway, is not relevant.

I believe there are MANY players out there, who avoid lowsec vigorously, just because of it's lawlessness and it's pirate friendly nature.

Forcing people to take that risk is ridiculous, whether or not you think they're p*ssy's or not.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#30 - 2012-04-16 13:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Yes, the faction high sec areas should be islands surrounded by low sec. That's the simplest, most logical change that needs to happen and it's been voiced since forever. Just make sure that there's many crossing routes so it doesn't get to be one choke point. Also, system sec should be more logical: high sec in the centre and lower to the outer rims, if you look at Gallente space for instance it's one big illogical and unexplainable mess in that respect.

This would make trading an actual career choice, at least moreso than it is now.
Mark Androcius
#31 - 2012-04-16 13:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Vilnius Zar wrote:
it's been voiced since forever.


And how many EVE players, do you think actually let their voice be heard on the matter huh?
I don't even think 5% of the entire player-base, has ever posted something on this forum, so the other 95% should just GTFO, cause they didn't feel like sharing their opinion?

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-16 13:54:07 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Yes, the faction high sec areas should be islands surrounded by low sec.


No you only force people to stay where they are if they don't want to go to low or 0.0 sec. it would either destroy Jita as the major trade hub it is now, or make Caldari space even busier than it is now.

all the PVE players that play now will set up jump clones in all 4 empires and ignore the route, sell their stuff on the local trade hub and new player will have a harder time getting from one empire to the other. so more systems that won't be used.

Make low sec more atractive that will get some extra players to low sec, although there will always be a group players that don't want to. No use in forcing those
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#33 - 2012-04-16 13:54:25 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
it's been voiced since forever.


And how many EVE players, do you think actually let their voice be heard on the matter huh?
I don't even think 5% of the entire player-base, has ever posted something on this forum, so the other 95% should just GTFO, cause they didn't feel like sharing their opinion?



If you really want to try and argue against something you don't like, use logic and don't try to dumbass your way out of it.

First of all "the idea has been voiced since forever" doesn't mean "the majority is for it" instead it means exactly what it says: "people have talked about it before". Secondly, just because a large percentage of players don't post on the forum doesn't mean you get to decide their stance on things, they very well might be for it, or against it or indifferent. Either way, it's like voting: the people who vote have their voice heard and generally the percentage that voted will probably reflect the stance of the whole group.

Until you wisen up, stop posting.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#34 - 2012-04-16 14:00:08 UTC
Mike Whiite wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Yes, the faction high sec areas should be islands surrounded by low sec.


No you only force people to stay where they are if they don't want to go to low or 0.0 sec. it would either destroy Jita as the major trade hub it is now, or make Caldari space even busier than it is now.

all the PVE players that play now will set up jump clones in all 4 empires and ignore the route, sell their stuff on the local trade hub and new player will have a harder time getting from one empire to the other. so more systems that won't be used.

Make low sec more attractive that will get some extra players to low sec, although there will always be a group players that don't want to. No use in forcing those


What's wrong with breaking up the dominance of Jita, or breaking the status quo on things in general? Lore wise it's simply silly to have 2 warring/different factions without any "no man's land" in between them and apart from that it makes things less simplistic, which is a GOOD thing. Gameplay wise trading and hauling will actually become a profession that requires non-zombie players and ppl will be able to make some cash with it, it'll make for interesting situations and different corps and play styles benefiting from eachother.

Why should an MMO cater for the lazy/easy folks?
Kalicor Lightwind
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-16 14:02:53 UTC
Cool idea in theory, but in practice it would be nothing but a PITA for anyone that doesn't appreciate the concept of low sec. You would either have four independent hubs, or you would just have a lot of people quit.


I think a revamp of the system would not be so bad, if there were a "midsec" where only faction navies (but not concord) would react to aggression.

Then let the border between empires be midsec.

No actually any less safe space between the empires would have negative effects on the high sec players. It would just be gate camped and have newbies harassed when they try to explore high sec or move to a corp.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#36 - 2012-04-16 14:06:58 UTC
4 independent hubs that set their own prices due to being "islands" and people who are willing to put in the extra effort and haul between them being able to make some good isk because of that. Why is that a problem?
Riapsed Alvilla
Jaded.
Riplomacy
#37 - 2012-04-16 14:15:51 UTC
I like this idea. Makes eve a more dangerous place.
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-04-16 14:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Andre Jean Sarpantis
Schalac wrote:
With boosts to FW coming and incursions getting retolled, I think all highsec to highsec faction jumps should be removed. From now on if you want to go to another races sovereign space you have to do so through lowsec.



Due to Yulai Convention decissions a few decades ago the hisec got declared as Factionwar free zone observed by patrouling Concord ships upholding the peace there and between the Empires, All Factionwar activities got shoved into the lowsec regions between the Empires beeing in war together.

This can get found in the History sections about Hisec and factionwars somewhere i believe, and if i'm correct it has been done to keep up the prosperitivity in the hisec vital and still ongoing.

Remove it and you will see a drowning Eve and empire due to the fact the 'suggested' Lowsec passages between Empires would've been permacamped 23/7 365 days in the year, thus making tradingactivities nearly impossible and most likely break the whole Eve economic.

My 2 cents to this so called 'Faboulous' idea It wont and will never happen period.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#39 - 2012-04-16 14:23:55 UTC
-1 Roll

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-16 14:35:39 UTC
-1

Surely it makes more sense to increase the security between borders to stop any attacking faction? Look at any border ot Earth and tell me that they have lower security than the rest of that country.

Also it would make capital freighters almost usless unless they gave them some serious love.