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Hulk Pilots - Your New Standard For Empire

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-04-13 22:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

IMO Danny John-Peter's recommendation is crap because it requires either an Orca or can mining. The Hulk can at least stand alone as a decent mining ship pulling ore.

Cause like, having an Iteron V or Mammoth to haul ore is.... well actually you aren't doing that with a Hulk? Just warping back every time you are full?

Seriously?



There is a difference between being totally at keyboard, totally AFK and mostly at Keyboard. A 8,000 M3 cargo hold allows miners to be mostly at keyboard, not forcing them to click, drag and drop as constantly and robotically. The three minute cycle rate also helps provide a more casual mining experience.


I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact.
So what is your malfunction, bra?

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Whitehound
#62 - 2012-04-13 23:07:20 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact.

Which means you lack the experience.

EFT warrior is EFT warrior.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-04-13 23:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Whitehound wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact.

Which means you lack the experience.

EFT warrior is EFT warrior.



And yet I have significant experience tanking and breaking tanks, which is what this OP was about.

From henceforth the Whitehound toon will always be the white bearded senile man of of Eve online forums, in my eyes. You really left an impression today Ugh

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Katalci
Kismesis
#64 - 2012-04-15 00:02:11 UTC
guys if I fit a brick tank I lose the ability to do other things this is unbalanced
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-04-15 00:07:02 UTC
Katalci wrote:
guys if I fit a brick tank I lose the ability to do other things this is unbalanced



Not really, because if I fit a brick tank I lose the ability to do other things too. Be it in a mission room or in PVP. Alternatively, if I fit to little tank I am just as ineffective in the performance of those same tasks. Eve is about give and take, and evidently, so is mining.

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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#66 - 2012-04-15 02:11:41 UTC
July Oumis wrote:
When ther's more than one ship mentioned, some ppl think of alts. I may remind you, that we play an MMO game.

And I may remind you, that noone will ever be willing to sit around for hours doing nothing.

Forming a fleet to protect miners or haul for miners without earning ISK (or FAR less then when flying level 2 missions) is a nice dream. But not more.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#67 - 2012-04-15 06:44:12 UTC
Ira Infernus wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
EFF ONEF1 wrote:
im on the fence about the whole issue anyways.

I hate the idea of mining and industrial ships needing to be the designated victims in a PvP game and I welcome those Hulk threads. I hate sitting in a mining ship and I only do it once every two weeks with friends in a fleet.

I have yet to see a good argument on how an increased tank, more speed or agility on all mining ships affects the game's balance.



I agree. The Industrials should not be made more tanky. There is a payoff; without the gankers in high sec, mining becomes a risk free endevaur. If the miners want a fairly risk free environment, they should do it in a rokh or a dominix, at least this way they are likely to get into a battleship at some point and perhaps try some level of combat.


And my AFK-domi running lvl 4's isn't risk free or incursions with a proper fleet ?
Are we playing the same game here ? You do realize that you need millions (8) of units of veld for just one battleship.
It's not like your going mine it in an hour by your self and that itty with 15k cargo oh really, Gee I can almost squeeze in all the ore for single BS in that thing oh my how lucky I am ? Roll

This is a sandbox and if someone likes sitting at the belt for hours then they should be allowed to do it, also bear in mid that mining does not bring any isk to the economy what so ever bounties made by you so called HC-PvP types however do.

But what you all fear is that the ISK you lose in ganks just pads in the pockets of the miners in the end, don't you ?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-04-15 14:43:19 UTC
Baneken wrote:
This is a sandbox and if someone likes sitting at the belt for hours then they should be allowed to do it



I don't think anyone here has said otherwise, have they? This thread is merely advocating a tank while you do it.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2012-04-15 16:50:22 UTC
If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers.
Devil tiger
#70 - 2012-04-15 22:01:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers.


Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring.

If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#71 - 2012-04-15 22:42:13 UTC
Devil tiger wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers.


Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring.

If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks.

Yeah, vote for invulnerability and for decshielding every day.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2012-04-16 08:53:23 UTC
Devil tiger wrote:


Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring.

If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks.


In order to kill all of those ships we had to at least break even on every kill. If we had to use a tornado on every ship we would have run out of isk before we hit 100. The vast bulk get killed by destroyers, the nados only come out for special events. The one and only reason so many hulks die is because people fail to put even the most basic of tanks on their ship.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#73 - 2012-04-16 10:01:42 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Wouldn't that Hulk Fit would be considered crap by PvP standards because it lacks the equivalent of Industrial Tackle (Sruvey Scanner) and Industrial Damage Mods (MLU).

It's not that Hulks can't tank, it's that they can't do anything else besides tank unlike PvP Ships that get a mix of everything do to generous fitting and slot layout.

Hulk lacks utility not tank. According to most it is expected to make sacrifices like PvP Ships yet I happen to use T2 Guns, EWAR, Tank, Tackle, Speed Mods and Dmg Mods on my PvP Ships at the same time. On a Hulk I have to go tank only?


Many PvP fits don't include tackle or speed mods, and are just tank/DPS. Fleet battleships/battlecruisers spring to mind immediately.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#74 - 2012-04-16 10:19:48 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact.

Which means you lack the experience.

EFT warrior is EFT warrior.


I have mined, and I do have the experience. ET's fit is almost exactly the same as the one I posted a few days ago (I used an EM resist amp because IMO Tornados are a much greater threat to a tanked Hulk than Catalysts, and RF EMP L is the ammo to beat ) and so I strongly endorse it.

Of course, since 0.0 is actually safer than hi-sec (or so I'm constantly being told) it would be even more sensible for Hulk pilots to relocate to nullsec and enjoy far greater ore availability, as well as that greater safety.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alara IonStorm
#75 - 2012-04-16 10:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Malcanis wrote:

Many PvP fits don't include tackle or speed mods, and are just tank/DPS. Fleet battleships/battlecruisers spring to mind immediately.

Yes they do however mix Tank and Damage Mods like the Miners MLU. Sure in a fleet with Orca Support you can have it Scan for you and haul for you like tacklers and logi support Combat Fleet Ships. Like a combat ship tank and damage are important.

Most of those fleet ships like the Mael, Drake, Cane, Tengu, ect do fit tackle tank and utility when solo or in small gangs as well. The Hulk being the top Miner should be able to operate solo and in fleets effectively or they should come up with new ships that do.

I am not so interested in boosting the Hulks Tanking potential as others have shown it can pull an effective tank. I just don't think meta 4 Med Extenders and Fitting Mods should be the standard for the T2 Top of the Mining food chain to do it.

[Hulk, Tanky]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5


I honestly think that if this is what a tanky hulk looked like more people would fit it along these lines. Sacrifices can be made in the area's of rigs like Cargo Opts or the DCU II for a second MLU. Like this.

[Hulk, Hungry]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5


When talking about the top Mining Ship that is T2 that is some pretty basic utility above and not really out of line or outrageous. This kind of Utility in fitting should come standard for any T2 Ship.
Whitehound
#76 - 2012-04-16 10:49:27 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I have...

I do not care what you have. I do mine, too, on a given occasion and I will not sit in a ship worth 500m ISK and a thin tank while it is the most priced target to every ganker in EVE. It is because of its tank and price tag. If you do not get this then you are just as stupid like the rest of them who desperately hold on to the supertanked Hulk. People like you deserve Hulkageddon so you can snap out of your despair eventually. There is no other way to put it.

Let me ask you, did you not yet notice how miners are being treated? They not just get ganked, they get their cans flipped, they get bumped and threatened and laugh at on a daily basis. The miners are being treated like arseholes. If you do not see this and if this does not make you want a better mining ship then one cannot help you!

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2012-04-16 10:54:40 UTC
What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.
Whitehound
#78 - 2012-04-16 10:58:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.

No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ...

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#79 - 2012-04-16 11:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Whitehound wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.

No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ...


Few combat ships get a double damage bonus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked just as much as miners do.
Whitehound
#80 - 2012-04-16 11:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
baltec1 wrote:
Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do.

Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off?

Mission runners get ganked for faction and officer fits. Haulers get ganked for their cargo. Miners get ganked for being pathetic.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.