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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#1 - 2012-04-15 18:39:40 UTC
Okay, topic says it.

I'm looking for a good Drone Boat i can utilize to do L4 and possibly some exploration.
I do fly a legion as of now, have Gallente Cruiser to 4 and Caldari Cruiser on the way to 4. I also have the HAC skill at 4.

So i can see right now 2 ships. One is the Gila, the other one is the Ishtar. I'd say my Shield-Skills are 'decent', my armor skills however are better. As i am able to fly a Amarr HAC, read: both, i also have some missile skills, however not incredible well. I do not have Tech II Hybrids.
I can sit into a Gila right now, and within a couple of minutes i'd be able to scoop the first sentry drones into my drone bay.
Gallente Cruiser to 5 however is nescessary, as i'd like to pimp my Drone DPS anyways and i'm also planning on being able to fly all recons. So, should i save my moneeez for an ishtar and wait the 17 days it takes me to sit into one, or should i put myself into a gila?

What are the advantages of one over the other?
Example fittings for L4?


Thanks
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-15 19:35:57 UTC
Save yourself a fortune and use a Domi.

Lots of mission fits around for them.
madsamo
Outer Haven Inc
#3 - 2012-04-15 19:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: madsamo
[Ishtar, Faction Passive Shield Ishtar]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Empty

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Sentries, and whatever else you want


[Gila, Gila: PvE L4]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Hammerhead II
Ogre II
Hobgoblin II
Garde II



Battleclinic both of them

Notice the massive tank on that Ishtar, you can run lvl 5 missions and just about any sanctum in it.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#4 - 2012-04-15 19:55:02 UTC
The Dominix is a superb drone boat, of course, but i dont have gallentean battle ship skill yet, nor do i have large hybrids yet, and i'm also looking at exploration, both, high and possibly low sec, and i'm not quite sure wheter or not a dominix fits into a 3/10 or 4/10. But i'd say... nah, it doesn't.



I clearly see the resistance advantage of the Ishtar over the Gila. But i'd really like to hear from pilots, who, in optimal case, have expierience with both ships, which they favor and why. Cause tbh, even i can just hurl a massive tank onto those 2 hulls without knowing much about it.
drdxie
#5 - 2012-04-15 20:17:51 UTC
Never flown an ishtar, but loved my Gila. The extra rig slot allows you to put a sentry rig and I had an omni in the mids.. will have to look for my fit though as I now use a tengu. I also never faction fit it or used T2 rigs and it worked just great.. A little slow for level 4's tbh, but great for exploration in HS and LS. Only difference I had between HS and LS explorations was a cloak for LS.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2012-04-15 22:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
I have flown both extensively. Both are tight on CPU. I used the Gila as a Heavy Drone + HML w/passive shield tank. Worked well for L4s. The Ishtar is a much better sentry boat. I'll dig up my fits for them in a few.

Favorite Ishtar fit:

[Ishtar, Ishtar copy 2]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Federation Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Federation Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Titanium Sabot M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Titanium Sabot M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Titanium Sabot M
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

Expensive Gila fit:

[Gila, Gila]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II


Ogre II x5
Berserker II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#7 - 2012-04-15 22:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ildryn
If you decide on the Ishtar. (much better ship)
The gun is for pulling aggro so your drones don't have to.

[Ishtar, Passive Shield Ishtar]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Passive T2 resist
Passive T2 resist

Medium Pulse Laser II
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Empty

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Drones should be sentries, mediums, and lights.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#8 - 2012-04-15 23:41:00 UTC
Thanks for those fittings, it shall be the armor Ishtar :

Few questions, though: Theres a DCU II fitted. Is it for the case that you will bleed into hull, or why exactly is the DCU used instead of a EANM or even a Adaptive Nano Plating? Cause at least with the last one i can save a big chunk of cpu for only a few million isk and still have better resists than with a dcu II. Which brings me to the next point: Spare CPU used for a medium NOS II. Or aren't you ever going to have enemies within those 20 km range?
Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-16 01:16:16 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
The Dominix is a superb drone boat, of course, but i dont have gallentean battle ship skill yet, nor do i have large hybrids yet, and i'm also looking at exploration, both, high and possibly low sec, and i'm not quite sure wheter or not a dominix fits into a 3/10 or 4/10. But i'd say... nah, it doesn't.


If you have Gallente Cruiser 4, a Domi will only take 20 minutes or so to get into. If you're gunnery skills are alright you can always just use META guns until you can fit T2. As was noted before, a Domi is pretty cheap. A Dual LARII Mission specific hardners Domi is pretty much AFK.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2012-04-16 02:06:42 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Thanks for those fittings, it shall be the armor Ishtar :

Few questions, though: Theres a DCU II fitted. Is it for the case that you will bleed into hull, or why exactly is the DCU used instead of a EANM or even a Adaptive Nano Plating? Cause at least with the last one i can save a big chunk of cpu for only a few million isk and still have better resists than with a dcu II. Which brings me to the next point: Spare CPU used for a medium NOS II. Or aren't you ever going to have enemies within those 20 km range?


I fit a DCU II on almost everything - but especially on Gallente ships. I use that Ishtar in 0.0 anomalies now. There have been several times it has made the difference in having to warp out or not. Yes, it takes a big chunk of CPU, so you could certainly fit something else there.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#11 - 2012-04-16 02:22:36 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Thanks for those fittings, it shall be the armor Ishtar :

Few questions, though: Theres a DCU II fitted. Is it for the case that you will bleed into hull, or why exactly is the DCU used instead of a EANM or even a Adaptive Nano Plating? Cause at least with the last one i can save a big chunk of cpu for only a few million isk and still have better resists than with a dcu II. Which brings me to the next point: Spare CPU used for a medium NOS II. Or aren't you ever going to have enemies within those 20 km range?


I fit a DCU II on almost everything - but especially on Gallente ships. I use that Ishtar in 0.0 anomalies now. There have been several times it has made the difference in having to warp out or not. Yes, it takes a big chunk of CPU, so you could certainly fit something else there.


Or you could use my fit and not worry about warping out at all because the passive regen is almost that of a drake....but whatever.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#12 - 2012-04-16 02:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Yes, I am very familiar with the passive shield Ishtar. Mine does more drone damage at longer range. That means I spend less time sitting in an anomaly where someone could jump in on me at any time. Damage with just barely enough tank is what I am going for. I also like to be able to overheat my MAR II and not worry about dying instantly as my Garde IIs chew down enough DPS for my tank to recover. If I were to do a passive shield tank, it would look something like this:


[Ishtar, Ishtar copy 4]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Amplifier

650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
[empty high slot]
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

Of course, it doesn't have the same damage projection and it lacks a prop mod (very handy for orbiting your sentry drones to mitigate damage. But, if you are doing a plex that neuts the heck out of you, it works.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#13 - 2012-04-16 02:51:27 UTC
Ishtar IMO is trash only good for use against guristas and serpentis missions. Terrible CPU/PG worthless bonuses besides the drone dmg and hp and ship resist bonuses. You cannot fit neutrons or a neut without seriously hurting your tank if you armor tank it it's slow as hell only 375 drone bay (at level 5 heavy assault skill) IMHO its the Gila all the way way better CPU/PG 3 rig slots very good bonuses I can get 80% resists across the board almost 13k shields and a 200dps passive regen and still be able to fit 3 heavy missile launchers a medium neut mwd and a large shield extender. Also the Gila has 400 drone bay and costs actually less then a Ishtar.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#14 - 2012-04-16 03:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyniss
Gila fit I use

High slot
3x Heavy missile launcher II
1x Salvage
1x Medium unstable power fluctuator
Med slot
1x Caldri Navy large shield extender
1x Caldari Navy EM ward field
1x 10nm Prototype micro warp drive
1x Small cap booster II (Navy cap booster 400
1x Adaptive invulnerability field II
1x Faint epsilon warp scrambler I
Low slot
3x power diagnostic system II
1x Damage control II
Rig slots
1x Thermal screen reinforcer
2 x Medium core field extender
Drone bay
6x Ogre IS
5x Heavy shield maintenance bot II
10x Warrior II
5x Hamnerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II

The faction mods total cost comes out to about 80 mil not really bad IMO and it lets you fit the heavy launchers too. I also have a nice fit with Rapid light missile launchers too.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-04-16 05:07:45 UTC
FT Diomedes seems to understand the ship and posted good fits. OP, listen to him.

And for the others, no, 11-slot tank is not a good fit.

Quote:
You cannot fit neutrons or a neut without seriously hurting your tank if you armor tank it it's slow as hell


My Ishtar has neutrons, and is much faster (614 m/s vs 516 m/s) than Gila. Even in a PVP fit with two armor rigs and 800mm plate, Ishtar is faster than Gila.

[Ishtar, Motherfn Neutrons!]

Core Probe Launcher I /OFFLINE
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
10MN Afterburner II
Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800

Shadow Serpentis Medium Armor Repairer
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x1
Hornet EC-300 x5
Curator II x5
Garde II x5


Yes, PVE, and against Serp/Guri, but it's a superb ship for that purpose.

.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#16 - 2012-04-16 05:34:48 UTC
Just for a future reference in case you get interested on training gal BS this is how far you can go with a PvE-Domi:

Not too shabby for a "low DPS drone boat", though tracking is nowhere near enough for incursions (well my mega neither even with gal bs V and 3x tracking comps with blasters, unless someone has webs on those sanshas first ... )

[Dominix, L4 domi]
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]


Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#17 - 2012-04-16 08:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenga Halaris
An Ishtar is nice for exploration, but not satisfying for level 4 missions. The real DPS with Drones are okay 'ish, but a well skilled drake will do the same for less. You will also need a truckload of SP in Drones.

The Ishtar can have an outstanding tank against all Kin/Therm NPC. Where do you fly?

BUT:

Watch out with the passive shield tank! If you lost cap from warping or NPC neuts, it will recharge extremely slow. I prefer using one PDU + four SPRs.
It happened that I had to warp 170 AU and drained all the cap. It barely came up and I had to put some SPRs offline. Active Armor tank works well and I would recommend that for you, since your shieldskills aren't that good anyway.


[Ishtar, guristas]
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Capacitor Power Relay II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Phased Plasma M
Small Tractor Beam I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Ogre II x5
Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Ship Sig: 145 m
Speed: 560 m/s
560 DPS
870 Tank (guri)
stable with AB


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