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Low Sec: Withering in the shadow of Null Sec
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Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#21 - 2012-04-15 20:03:57 UTC
I see your points, OP, but you're sort of leaving out the fact that lowsec has an abundance of stations accessible by

everyone

which can certainly make it easier to live there.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-04-15 20:24:50 UTC
As stated earlier in this thread. the only thing wrong with low sec is the players them selves.

CCP wants the players to make what they will of the space provided,

On the whole the players have mostly abandoned low sec this is not CCP's fault .

It is the players lack of will to work together to make low sec work.

The exception is the players, who do work together or, play smartly in low sec. they profit, and they profit well.

So if you want to improve lowsec get a corp together set up shop and go play .

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-15 21:25:53 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
make incursions exclusive to lowsec, problem solved

This way...the "pirates" will have a pool of victims! Shrewd.


If the incursions require a certain number of people on line, and loot is buffed a little, then it is an interesting idea.

Sansha should attack everyone.

Crazy times man, crazy times.
Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
#24 - 2012-04-16 05:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Souvera Corvus
Tobiaz wrote:
PvP is low sec is rare


Along with your abusive trolling in another low-sec related thread, this gives me the impression you have absolutely no bloody idea what you're talking about.

Sri Nova wrote:
As stated earlier in this thread. the only thing wrong with low sec is the players them selves.


The players who live in low-sec have no issue with it, we find its those who don't who spawn these daft 'Lo-sec is dying' threads.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-16 05:07:58 UTC
Souvera Corvus wrote:
Along with your abusive trolling in another low-sec related thread, this gives me the impression you have absolutely no bloody idea what you're talking about.

RELAX BRO

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Geodeath
Fist of God
#26 - 2012-04-16 07:19:43 UTC
Kessiaan wrote:
NPC null is really a hidden gem, IMO. Way better ISK than lowsec, no gate/station guns to get in the way, and no having to deal with sov. ever.

I don't think lowsec is terribly broken tbh, it works for the people who live there who want more casual pvp than what you find in most of nullsec (even NPC nullsec) and easier access to markets. The 'problems' with lowsec stem from the fact that it's right next to highsec, which might as well be a different game from the rest of EvE. People jump into lowsec and get smoked because they don't understand how EvE works outside of highsec, not because it's broken mechanics-wise.

All that said I still think lowsec could use some buffs to pull more of the casual pvpers in. I have high hopes for Inferno.

For years I avoided lowsec because it is totally different. Just starting to spend a lot more time there and it has literally been a blast. I just pay for losses in sec status and ships with a little old fashoned level 4 grinding. For some reason I have let this challenging and fun part of eve elude me all these years. My favorite part of lowsec recently has been extended roams. I can tell you that flying an internet spaceship in lowsec feels much better than the robotic malaise of grinding hisec that I have done for years.

My name is Geodeath and I am a recovering carebear. I have been sober for several weeks.
Espen Egak
x13
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2012-04-16 07:36:38 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
I've looked at the "advantages" of Low Sec, mining doesn't pay that much more than High Sec at all.....

But it sure pays better in Null Sec.

Planets aren't that much better than High Sec....

But they sure are better in Null Sec.

Moons aren't that great...

But they sure are better in Null Sec..

and all of this "gain" for what is obviously tremendously more risk.

While there seems some effort to make Faction Warfare and Exploration "good" for Low-Sec......

It seems that the developers panic at the thought of giving Low Sec mining or planetary or moon buffs cause that would make Null Sec slightly less absurdly over the top profitable.

So Low Sec is left "very small trivial amount better than High Sec". But it IS NOT trivially better when you factor in ship loss. That you can't use a Freighter to move goods. That Refining rates are poorer. That the Market is less well stocked with goods.

In return, 10-50 percent more "gain"... before losses that is.

If people were Rational Actors trying to maximize ISK per hour, they would never go into Low Sec at all.

Because everything that would make Low Sec profitable is sucked into the "More Money, More Money" for Null Sec.

Low Sec should AT LEAST have the ABC minerals and better planets and buffed moons.

I know, I know. What about Null Sec?

Well, since that is all you think about, they have been really over-buffed.

Just get the Nerf Hammer out and pound them. No nerf to severe.


Do PvP .. that is what happens in Low-sec all the time ..
problem solved
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-16 08:00:55 UTC
Low sec is underpopulated because null sec is unpopulated and because it is too easy to make isk in high sec. I could write a lot but it basically boils down to:

Why fly in low sec when I can make more isk in null sec and have an alliance to give me intel/resources?
Why fly in low sec when I can make more isk in high sec and act like a complete moron and never die?
If you can get the most experience and best equipment in the starter zone, why would you ever leave?

There needs to be some sweeping changes to get the population of EVE spread out. Larger fees on corporation offices in high sec compare to low/null. Larger fees on market/manufactuing/research in high sec compared to low/null. Big axe to level 4 bounties, etc, etc, etc. I have no problem with people spending 100% of their time in relative safe high sec but you shouldn't be the richest in EVE, you should be swimming in taxes and dreaming of exploring EVE for riches.
Adunh Slavy
#29 - 2012-04-16 16:39:35 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
There needs to be some sweeping changes to get the population of EVE spread out.



One of the best things they could do is change agro and sec status mechanics so that you do not end up being a pirate just to live there defending your self from pirates.

He who shoots first in Eve has a huge advantage. That, and the results of it, are a big part of what keeps people from low sec.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Abraxas666
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-16 17:19:28 UTC
As a generalization the reason low-sec is sparsely populated is because it's between high-sec and null-sec regarding risk versus reward. High-sec offers little reward (ignoring incursions which are unbalanced in this aspect) for almost no risk while null-sec offers high reward but at a high risk. Most people prefer the lowest risk (I don't want to get jumped!) or the highest reward (Let them come, it won't matter if I can replace my ship and still make profit), there are few who want something in-between.
Failccpfails
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-04-16 17:26:44 UTC
OP you an idiot?
Moons better in null? you have tech moons in low... BEST MOONS IN THE GAME... idiot.

Stopped reading at that point.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-16 17:30:01 UTC
There are ridiculously lucrative moons in lowsec that arnt in hisec (because you cant moon mine at all in hisec obviously) and even mediocre moons can generate a huge income if done right and theer are sure as hell plenty of those.

You dont have to spend tens of billions of isk a month on sov bills in lowsec.

You cant be steamrolled out of lowsec, losing everythign you have built.

You cant lose entire fleets to buble camps and bombing runs in lowsec.

If you choose to live in an area, dont cry about what other areas have without first looking into what you truly have.

I do however believe incursions should be limited to lowsec only, because in (game) reality Concord and the navies would smash incursion fleets within minutes of them appearing, it would also give lowsec the buff it needs (because it truly needs something).

My corp lived in lowsec for years, it wasnt the lack of income that made us move out, it was because it became boring with the advent of capitals online when you could no longer have a real fleet fight without being hotdropped by one of the corps that waited for exactly that to happen even though they didnt even have any interest in the conflict, this wrecked alot of the interesting stories being played out there. So, we moved to nullsec.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Josef Djugashvilis
#33 - 2012-04-16 17:31:15 UTC
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
What is this? One line per sentence? Learn to write correctly, otherwise, post this bad don't even deserve a response.

yk


lolololol

Am I the only one noticing the hypocrisy in this post?


His error made me smile.

This is not a signature.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2012-04-16 17:52:11 UTC
On an individual player level, low sec and npc null sec both involve about the same amount of risk to the individual pilot. Sov null sec in a space that your alliance has sov in, is much less risky.


Yet the rewards are always much better in null sec than low sec.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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