EVE General Discussion

Doing PvE as such is not the problem. Hardcore pvpers just get angry when some people refuse to fight for what they have. In nullsec for example, calling for a defense fleet and having your corpies not join it is a source of angst. This creates an illusion that some people 'are only carebears' and wont fight. Even though they might be afk doing whatever..

ps. If you are looking for fights, then you basically would never have time for pve..

Pay it no mind - apart from when (as someone said above) it's used to express annoyance at corpmates who in times of crisis do PvE instead of joining in with defence, it's just a sort of running joke in EVE.

In terms of FUNCTION, for every "pirate" there's a "carebear" alt, who is liable to get ganked as much as the next guy if he's not in a PvP-fit ship.

In terms of PREFERENCE, there are obviously many people playing EVE who try to avoid PvP combat as much as possible, and I suppose you could legitimately call them "carebears proper", but: a) EVE is an open world PvP game, so it's never possible to avoid PvP combat entirely; b) avoiding PvP combat is itself a form of PvP (obviously so, since CCP have given people the tools to avoid PvP combat, to a certain extent, if they so wish); and c) there's an in-game economy, so such players just as necessary to the game as the PvP-ers.

IOW, it's only n00bs who take the Carebear vs. PK theatre seriously. Everyone else snickers up their sleeve at them.

Just blob them.

All players in Eve are carebears OP. They either Pve, or do some form of pve for their PvP "main", or they buy their money. Or blob. or live in a WH.

Its just a way of saying "you don't do what I do so you're not as good as me". Which roughly translates to "I have Daddy issues".

You may need them, but why would you respect them?

What virtues do they posses, that are appreciable and rare and make them stand out of the crowd ?

PS. The same applies to all the f1-f8 monkeys, of course.

Carebear is a term used often by those who think that their way of playing is the only way, and seek to denigrate other ways to play.

Usually these are the griefers and killmail addicts.

Carebear is a very loosely defined term anyway. It can be said that someone who never leaves high-sec is a carebear, but how about someone in 0.0 who sweats at the idea of removing local because they won't know when to dock up?

Yes, there are such things as "nullbears" and "wormbears" too.

There are even gankbears. These are the uber l33t PVPers who will never engage someone unless it's their gate camp or blob versus one or maybe two. Heck I had 4 guys in frigates and cruisers run from my exploration fit Cyclone and it was their own stinking bubble I got stuck in! (probably came back with battleships not knowing that my Cyclone in overheat will run over 1200 KM/Sec but oh well).

The term Carebear and the other versions of it are as loosely used as the term "pirate". There are people killing everything that moves calling themselves pirates. And without their carebear indie alts earning the ISK, they would never be as rich as real pirates. Some people who trick a noob into joining their corp, and then kicking them after moving their stuff, popping their ship, and scramming their pod while laughing at the noob. They too call themselves pirates but there are more descriptive definitions for that sort who will deny being griefers even after they day they make some 11 year old hang himself in the closet (upon realizing the world has such people in it).


We can attach "bear" to just about anything that is taken a bit far or repeated to some extent while at the same time, avoiding as much risk as possible - you know, like the real world. For example, I could be called an "explorationbear" because while I do go into wormholes and 0.0 for exploration, I take precautions to avoid PVP. I have a ship in use from 2009 to show my bearness.

Does this make me a coward or someone who avoids bad tactical decisions? I ask that because I have seen threads started people people who state "so I wanted to get into PVP" and then they go on to detail how they purchased and outfitted their best ship they could buy with the lvl 4 Mission money, complete with all T2 and....

got ganked horribly the moment they hit a lowsec pipeline.

Now, there is PVP, and there is cowardice (bearness?) but is feeding ships to the sharks at will a good idea? I avoid PVP because I know that nothing survives a gate camp or bubble camp and the Russians don''t like it when you make their bots safe up in drone space.

I've dueled with many in other threads raging "carebear this and carebear that" while trying to explain to them that even if people geared up and marched like lemmings into their lowsec gate camps, even if they managed to convince themselves that they like it, eventually they have to stop because they run out of money.

But some people, having always been told how smart and special they are from their childhood, even while being a rather crappy kid, still think that everything has to be the way they say it should be, and everybody else is a carebear - or whatever term they use to denigrate others who are not as special as themselves.

Ignore the terminology, and do whatever the f**k you want. Nobody's paying your sub.

WRONG.

Yes, of course you can PvP in EVE but EVE is a make-a-living-and-fly-in-space-simulation-game. Many players happily exist in EVE without PvP.

The fact is the game needs carebears

Carebears and those that do PVP need eachother, the carebears build and supply ships whilst the Pvpers maintain the demand by killing ships

I know chars who are in big indy corps and enjoy it, whilst I dwell in a WH and enjoy the pvp side, the game is a sandbox do what you enjoy doing

Thier may be a stigma attached to carebears, but without them the pvp guys would not have so much fun

I'm not really sure this analogy holds true anymore. I feel front line soldiers are perceived more as knuckle dragging grunts. Thanks Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan :D

Kill mails and ISK serve the same purpose to different people.

They're just handy ways of keeping score.