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Lottery Game to reduce excess Isk in Eve

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Vorashe Garfiel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-16 03:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vorashe Garfiel
This is merely a hypothetical situation and it may have already been suggested before, but could a form of lottery be placed in Eve to remove a portion of the overly abundant Isk from the game. Each character is allowed to purchase a ticket for 10,000,000 Isk (no limits on how many can be purchased) and at the end of every week a random winner is drawn from the purchased tickets and a prize of 10,000,000,000 is given out if over 5,000 tickets are purchased. 100,000,000,000 if over 50,000 tickets are purchased.
Obviously the numbers could be tweaked to better represent the current economic situation. This is a small means as I assume the problem is much larger than a few billion Isk sitting around. But even if only 1,000 players a week purchased a ticket it would slowly remove some of the excess isk from the system. This would also give players a little bit of excitement every week. The poor player who suddenly has tons of isk to spend or the already wealthy players dropping spare change in the hopes of making it into a profit (which losing 10 million isn't a large problem anyways).
The winning player could have his face put on the Billboards throughout space so that people could feel the thrill of winning and get some fame to boot. This could be one lottery for all of Eve or one can be hosted for each of the 4 empires and the players are allowed to buy tickets from whoever they want.
Brock Nelson
#2 - 2012-04-16 03:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Brock Nelson
1. Is your calculator broken?
501 tickets x 10m = 5.01b and winner gets 10b? By my calculation, that's an excessive 5b somehow pulled out of someone's arse and brought into the game?

2. No really, is your calculator broken?
5001 tickets x 10m = 50.01b and winner gets 100b? By my calculation, that's another 50b somehow really really dig deep in someone's arse and pulled out?

3. How does that remove excessive isk from the game? All you're doing is just funneling it to one person.

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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-16 03:47:54 UTC
Awful lot of effort for pennies.
Vorashe Garfiel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-16 04:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vorashe Garfiel
Thanks for the unhelpful sarcasm Brock, your contribution to the Eve universe is greatly appreciated and duly noted. I apologize that my math was off by a single digit while I was brainstorming. I received my degree in etymology rather than mathematics.

So in retrospect instead of 500 the number I should have gone with is 1,000. This is the minimum number of tickets that would need to be sold each week to break even. As I've seen more than 50,000 players logged on at a time in a single day this amount would not be difficult to imagine as players are not limited to only one ticket. Any sale after this point become Isk that is removed from the game. As previously stated the numbers could be worked on to find an acceptable balance between ticket prices that are low enough to entice buyers and a payout that is exciting enough to warrant interest to begin with. Prizes could scale as ticket sales increase. Perhaps a percentage based system rather than a strict payout would be an effective means of providing a prize.

On the note of "pennies" if the inflation is truly a problem for Eve then any series of solutions that can slow the process is a good start. Although this is not something that would inherently solve the problem at large it would add a small new dynamic to Eve and make progress in solving an issue that is growing into a pandemic. Perhaps removing a few million Isk a week is a good start and will allow other solutions to freedom to not be as drastic in finding a way to remove Isk from the system. Besides, having options as a developer is always a welcomed idea.
Hambonie
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-16 04:47:31 UTC
OMG MY EYES it's called paragraphs try to use them please

"Soldiers don't die, they just go to hell to regroup"

-Im a anti anti pirate with a carebear side-
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-16 05:21:14 UTC
Because the first CCP ran lottery was fair, balanced, and didn't leave any negative sideeffects behind.
papamike
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-16 05:45:03 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Because the first CCP ran lottery was fair, balanced, and didn't leave any negative sideeffects behind.


Unfortunately this little bit of history will most probably be the biggest hurdle for such a venture gaining traction with the eve populous.

Then again, history is often forgotten rather quickly. I saw on the forums someone asking whom BOB and Sir M was...

sheesh ive been playing this game too long. So much for immortality
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
#8 - 2012-04-16 10:04:26 UTC
I have supported a lottery system for a while. I wouldn't back the system you propose though for the following reasons:


"at the end of every week" A weekly lottery is too long to wait. I would suggest Daily/Hourly lotteries.

"*IF* over 5,000 tickets are purchased." Lotteries are drawn regardless of the number of tickets sold, for what I think would be obvious reasons.

I would recommend that only 10% of the ISK be removed from the system to act as an ISK sink.

I would also like to add that most people post their half formulated, ill conceived 'ideas' in the proper forum, and not market discussions, which your plan has nothing to do with. Jita park Speakers Corner is that way ------->

(not that anyone ever reads it though) Best of luck and fly safe, and thanks for your well thought out, informative original suggestion.




Hmmm
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#9 - 2012-04-16 13:06:40 UTC
Darius III wrote:
I would also like to add that most people post their half formulated, ill conceived 'ideas' in the proper forum, and not market discussions, which your plan has nothing to do with. Jita park Speakers Corner is that way ------->


That's awfully rude for a CSM member. Here I thought that they were supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard and all that.

Perhaps he posted his idea here because he realized it was half finished and could use some polish from the brilliant market minds in this forum before posting it to CCP as a suggestion. After all, inflation due to rampant injection of isk into the economy is a serious market problem, so what better place than here? And of course, many of those brilliant market minds are eloquent wordsmiths, so later he could have asked assistance in couching the idea in terms such that even the thugs of the CSM, obsessed as many of them are with 0.0 and the destruction of highsec, could understand that inflation is an issue affecting even them.

But nope. You came in here all rude and crass and showing off behavior quite unbefitting of a CSM member's lofty position and squashed the idea like a bug.

Good job.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#10 - 2012-04-16 13:27:50 UTC
Goon tears are better than normal tears.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#11 - 2012-04-16 16:20:41 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Darius III wrote:
I would also like to add that most people post their half formulated, ill conceived 'ideas' in the proper forum, and not market discussions, which your plan has nothing to do with. Jita park Speakers Corner is that way ------->


That's awfully rude for a CSM member. Here I thought that they were supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard and all that.

Perhaps he posted his idea here because he realized it was half finished and could use some polish from the brilliant market minds in this forum before posting it to CCP as a suggestion. After all, inflation due to rampant injection of isk into the economy is a serious market problem, so what better place than here? And of course, many of those brilliant market minds are eloquent wordsmiths, so later he could have asked assistance in couching the idea in terms such that even the thugs of the CSM, obsessed as many of them are with 0.0 and the destruction of highsec, could understand that inflation is an issue affecting even them.

But nope. You came in here all rude and crass and showing off behavior quite unbefitting of a CSM member's lofty position and squashed the idea like a bug.

Good job.



Bit rich considering who the Mittani is.


e: Don't even care if you were being sarcastic.
Ford Chicago
Ziz Zag Ziggurat
#12 - 2012-04-16 16:51:24 UTC
Most player run lotteries skim 10-20% of the total income and pay out the rest. Why would a rational player participate in a lottery, whether run by CCP or a player, that has a 50% payout?

How about this, you run a lottery and every week you put half the income on a character and biomass it and send the other half to a single player. Or even better, run a lottery that only pays out 1% of total income, that would be a GREAT isk sink!

To summarize, this is a stupid idea and you're stupid for suggesting it.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#13 - 2012-04-16 17:12:56 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Darius III wrote:
I would also like to add that most people post their half formulated, ill conceived 'ideas' in the proper forum, and not market discussions, which your plan has nothing to do with. Jita park Speakers Corner is that way ------->


That's awfully rude for a CSM member. Here I thought that they were supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard and all that.

Perhaps he posted his idea here because he realized it was half finished and could use some polish from the brilliant market minds in this forum before posting it to CCP as a suggestion. After all, inflation due to rampant injection of isk into the economy is a serious market problem, so what better place than here? And of course, many of those brilliant market minds are eloquent wordsmiths, so later he could have asked assistance in couching the idea in terms such that even the thugs of the CSM, obsessed as many of them are with 0.0 and the destruction of highsec, could understand that inflation is an issue affecting even them.

But nope. You came in here all rude and crass and showing off behavior quite unbefitting of a CSM member's lofty position and squashed the idea like a bug.

Good job.



Bit rich considering who the Mittani is.


e: Don't even care if you were being sarcastic.


I'm dead serious. I'll happily admit that Mittani's behavior was quite a bit more egregious than Darius III here. Nonetheless, if this rude dismissal is typical of how he addresses ideas from his constituents, he's well on his way to doing more harm to the CSM than Mittani ever did.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Kobalos
Carebears -With- Guns
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-04-16 17:40:01 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Darius III wrote:
I would also like to add that most people post their half formulated, ill conceived 'ideas' in the proper forum, and not market discussions, which your plan has nothing to do with. Jita park Speakers Corner is that way ------->


That's awfully rude for a CSM member. Here I thought that they were supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard and all that.

Perhaps he posted his idea here because he realized it was half finished and could use some polish from the brilliant market minds in this forum before posting it to CCP as a suggestion. After all, inflation due to rampant injection of isk into the economy is a serious market problem, so what better place than here? And of course, many of those brilliant market minds are eloquent wordsmiths, so later he could have asked assistance in couching the idea in terms such that even the thugs of the CSM, obsessed as many of them are with 0.0 and the destruction of highsec, could understand that inflation is an issue affecting even them.

But nope. You came in here all rude and crass and showing off behavior quite unbefitting of a CSM member's lofty position and squashed the idea like a bug.

Good job.



Bit rich considering who the Mittani is.


e: Don't even care if you were being sarcastic.


I'm dead serious. I'll happily admit that Mittani's behavior was quite a bit more egregious than Darius III here. Nonetheless, if this rude dismissal is typical of how he addresses ideas from his constituents, he's well on his way to doing more harm to the CSM than Mittani ever did.


I was personally offended and I think DariusIII should send me all of his isk. I will then take 10% of that and use it as seed-money to help start this preposterously stupid idea. Hold on - lotteries are bad and nobody will play them? o.O /muttersincoherentlytoself.
Vorashe Garfiel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-16 20:24:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vorashe Garfiel
I am glad to see that some responses to this post appeared, but it is disheartening knowing that no constructive ideas can be gathered on these forums as a whole. I tried to introduce an idea that was concocted based upon reactions of real people in regards to the most recent lottery drawing across the United States

But it seems the fate of this idea is destined to fall to the wayside as people are focused on paragraph structure as Hambonie noted, or simply provide sarcastic and useless commentary such as Ford graced us with about player run lotteries. The only effective way this system would work is if CCP hosted the lottery which wold allow a Isk sink, player run does nothing but shuffle money around a broken system.

A typical lottery returns 50% of the ticket sales to the winner in prizes (Texas state law does, various other states range from 42%-58% in distribution), however standard lotteries also pay out smaller increments in prizes to a larger participation base with prizes ranging from $1 to the grand prize. So the winnings being set at 50% would be correct and a larger portion to one player than a typical lottery.

If you have a disagreement with an idea it is fundamentally more efficient to post ideas to improve upon a concept or to point out inherent flaws in a system. In that regard an idea can grow into something efficient or it can be removed if the flaws end up being too great an obstacle to overcome.

Instead this thread has been reduced to insults of " half formulated and ill conceived ideas" as noted by Darius and a wonderful "preposterously stupid idea" comment that Kobalos added. If this idea had been perfected and the finite details worked out to precision it would not be a simple forum post but rather a proposal sent to CCP. I posted here to seek help from the members of the community in a way to improve upon the game that they all share. Again I thank the individuals who mentioned that an idea such as this tried and failed in the past and that scars from that event still linger, and those who realized that this post was meant as an attempt to harvest ideas from others to flesh out a working idea.
Kobalos
Carebears -With- Guns
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-04-16 21:48:32 UTC
Vorashe Garfiel wrote:
I am glad to see that some responses to this post appeared, but it is disheartening knowing that no constructive ideas can be gathered on these forums as a whole. I tried to introduce an idea that was concocted based upon reactions of real people in regards to the most recent lottery drawing across the United States

But it seems the fate of this idea is destined to fall to the wayside as people are focused on paragraph structure as Hambonie noted, or simply provide sarcastic and useless commentary such as Ford graced us with about player run lotteries. The only effective way this system would work is if CCP hosted the lottery which wold allow a Isk sink, player run does nothing but shuffle money around a broken system.

A typical lottery returns 50% of the ticket sales to the winner in prizes (Texas state law does, various other states range from 42%-58% in distribution), however standard lotteries also pay out smaller increments in prizes to a larger participation base with prizes ranging from $1 to the grand prize. So the winnings being set at 50% would be correct and a larger portion to one player than a typical lottery.

If you have a disagreement with an idea it is fundamentally more efficient to post ideas to improve upon a concept or to point out inherent flaws in a system. In that regard an idea can grow into something efficient or it can be removed if the flaws end up being too great an obstacle to overcome.

Instead this thread has been reduced to insults of " half formulated and ill conceived ideas" as noted by Darius and a wonderful "preposterously stupid idea" comment that Kobalos added. If this idea had been perfected and the finite details worked out to precision it would not be a simple forum post but rather a proposal sent to CCP. I posted here to seek help from the members of the community in a way to improve upon the game that they all share. Again I thank the individuals who mentioned that an idea such as this tried and failed in the past and that scars from that event still linger, and those who realized that this post was meant as an attempt to harvest ideas from others to flesh out a working idea.


My Dear Friend Vorashe,

Unfortunately, you mistake my "preposterously stupid idea" comment to be an attack upon your person or your idea. Now that, Sir, IS preposterous. Honestly, every time I think of a way to make money - I think lottery. Perhaps the only issue I have with your idea is your complete self-lessness. YOU pocket the money. That's right, shuffle! Shuffle everything you can into your pockets and snicker to yourself as you defend yourself against the masses with - "EVE needs an Isk Sink and I'm the only one with the Plumbing for it!" That, Sir, I do take issue with.

Additionally, DariousIII hurt my feelings - the ones I actually have. This being the litigious society that it is, I want my fair share for my pain and suffering. DariusIII has abused his position of power and I am his victim!

Finally - quit stealing my ideas, you bumbling oaf! If you are too weak-willed to see it through to completion, you don't deserve the money. Wait - You didn't want the money. You could always give it to me. Wouldn't that make you feel better? I came to your defense, after-all. Why, I wasn't even offended when you mistakenly attacked me and hurt my feelings. I could have compared your actions to those of DariusIII. Although, I think I'm hurt worse. It always hurts worse when a friend stabs you. This is especially true, when he stabs you in the heart as opposed to the back. I'm not sure why looking into your beadie little eyes as you stabbed me hurt me so, but it did.

I digress. I have forgiven you. Nay, there was nothing to forgive. You, Sir, are forever in my debt. Oddly, I find myself in a position to help you, yet again. To relieve the burden of your indebted heavy heart, I will graciously accept the excess funds you wish to funnel away from the rest of the EVE populace. I amaze myself sometimes, with my gracious nature.

In short, Sir, I bless your endeavour. I ask merely that you remember that the poor are always with us and that with my help, we can keep it that way. I see the begining of a glorious friendship. Yes, indeed.

Forever Your Servent,



Kobalos Big smile
(A greedy little goblin, if ever I did see one.)