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Skill Point Transfers

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FoxFire Ayderan
#21 - 2012-04-15 20:12:45 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:




Yay, I can pod my assorted alts for free SP!

Roll


Knock yourself out.
DODGE CITY
Keep it Hard
#22 - 2012-04-15 23:33:58 UTC
if it were possible to transfer skill points that would make it easy for criminals to screw over a corp transfer their skillpoints to a new alt and start over without any one they ever did wrong knowing who they are .
a 5 minutes old alt could possibly have over 100+ mil sp..NOT A GOOD IDEAL

Troll Skill Lv3 ≡√≡

Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-16 00:41:27 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Well Kusum, as I suggested this could always be restricted from use among alts on the same account.

Now if someone wants to do this with alts on other accounts they are paying for, then I don't really see it as that big of a deal. Well even if on the same account, actually. You can only level up one character per account anyhow. So I don't know how efficient it would be to level unneeded skills to transfer SP to another toon if there is some loss ratio involved.

Of course if you already have excess points from leveling skills you'll never use, and have everything you want, and are willing to sacrafice SP at say a 3-to-1 loss, to give to an alt... I say 'meh'. And an even bigger 'meh' if its restricted to toons on alternate accounts since ultimately those accounts translate into financing for CCP to continue expanding and improving the game.

But if anyone really thinks this is that big of a deal, I imagine there are other ways to put restrictions on how to use such a mechanic, including ways to make the cost effectiveness for exploitive personal use unviable; leaving this as more an act of generosity toward a new player, or if done under contract as a way to trade SP for ISK.

As an aside, lore wise perhaps you might need to meet the person at the same station with the proper facilities in order to conduct the transfer. Alternatively it can be some sort of data module you plug in that provides an increase in SP over a set period of time.


All those miners are supplying sp to another character, I figured youd pick up on that as thats what the post was about. not an alt on the same account of any of the others.
~the point is if its about financing, sp transfer doesn't give ccp anything, as they get cash for however many accounts you have. and training those accounts takes time, manufacturing alts with artificially higher rates of sp gain does nothing for them in a time based skill setup.
~there is a restriction on that sort of mechanic. its simply not allowed. any type of restriction to make exploitation impossible will simply ruin any gain you were attempting to have and render it nonviable anyway. any quicker training of alts is exploitative no matter how honest your intentions are.
~The best thing a vet can do for a new player, and i cant stress this enough, is to buy skill books for them, walk them through reasons why they should not carry them in cargo, explain medical clones, and tell them to go mess around in lowsec before their clones get expensive.

It is the very weird expectation that Hisec will prepare you (the new player) for anything that i take fault with, It lulls people into the false expectations that people are going to be inherently law abiding. giving people access to faster more expensive things, that they aren't knowledgeable enough about the game to replace isn't going to keep people playing. it tends to do the opposite.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Neoimus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-16 06:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Neoimus
One thing i could vaguely think of is, make an implant that allows for this. Except you need a matching implant with a special code that alllows for SP transfer. This would restrict the system to a purely one to one system.

EDIT: than again maybe not a bright idea.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#25 - 2012-04-16 11:02:53 UTC
no
dont think its good.
uber characters in no time? Buy 5 toons, merge SP, distribute in perfect fashion.

Very very bad idea.
fab24
Tax Fraud The Return Corporation
#26 - 2012-04-16 11:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: fab24
Spent 6 years of my life reading books to have 75m SP and you want me to give some to a noob that will stop eve when the trial is over?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#27 - 2012-04-16 11:24:45 UTC
Yay, yet another SP bad idea.

No.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#28 - 2012-04-16 13:58:04 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
GizzyBoy wrote:
you can take sp's off vets,

Pod them, then pod them again before they update clone,

SP's Transfered!


Now there's an idea. LOL

After you pod someone, you can retrieve a data chip out of their head that gives you a portion of their SP. Shocked


errh that was actually sarcasm,

maybe your not familiar with the concept of sp and all the mechanics of skill points and clones.

No one gains sp when you loose a clone that holds less sp than you have, you loose your longest trained skill by one level (or more)

best you get reading up on SP because if that bit of sarcasm went over your head well...


FoxFire Ayderan
#29 - 2012-04-16 17:01:54 UTC
@Gizzyboy I thought my reply made it evident that I wasn't taking your suggestion all that seriously. Roll

@fab24 One of the BEST features of this idea, is that CCP doesn't force you to do it. Lol

@Neoimus I take it you're not a Fleet Commander. P

@Dodge You couldn't do that with the restrictions I've recommended. With a loss ration 3-to-1 (or higher), and a transfer differential limitation (you can only transfer to those with less than 25% your current SP), you could NEVER transfer all your SP into an alt. Now if somebody WANTS to transfer as many SP as they can (given the loss ration and differential limit) into an Alt, to have a much less skilled original character and a much further along Alt (but still nowhere near the original), then big deal! I don't see the problem in this.

@Kasum It doesn't matter who the miners are (alts, other accounts, or other players). If they want to boost another player with SP then I still don't consider that to be a bad thing. Obviously I have no problem with a low level toon getting an SP boost (at the sacrifice of another willing player), hence the original post. These miners could not continue to do this for too long with the SP point differential as the character being boosted would eventually have SP that exceeded the 25% limit between the giver and receiver.

As to the CCP financing argument. The point I was making if someone wants to feed SP from alts, and purposely purchases and subscribes accounts to do this, then that only helps CCP's bottom line. But again I think given the restrictions on how this can be used it would not even be viable let alone cost effective

Frankly this is a much less egregious practice than is a totally new and ignorant player buying 10 million SP account to play with. AND in fact provides lots of opportunities for veteran players to help out those who are coming up the ranks, and incentives for new players who may be daunted by coming in late to the game.

AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-16 17:15:30 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:




Yay, I can pod my assorted alts for free SP!

Roll


Knock yourself out.

Thing is, if it's abusable, the mere option of it existing is OUT.
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