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Most dysfunctional and broken ship

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#21 - 2012-04-15 03:42:48 UTC
Of what I've flown:

Omen and whatever the T1 Gaurdian is. The Omen needs PG and the other one lacks a point other than target practice.

Prophecy, fitting is tight for no reason.

Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-04-15 05:01:34 UTC
The Paladin

Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-04-15 09:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Corina Jarr wrote:
Of what I've flown:

Omen and whatever the T1 Gaurdian is. The Omen needs PG and the other one lacks a point other than target practice.

Prophecy, fitting is tight for no reason.


CCP obviously play minmatars. Amarr ships have the most fitting problems, but you can stick Battleship weapons and a doomsday on a rifter and still have enough room for 6 or 7 XL shield extenders.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#24 - 2012-04-15 09:17:20 UTC
spacelumberjack wrote:
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Titans. Because they change after every expansion, so you don't know what you'll be flying next year.


Yet there are so many of them...


More titans than active pvp CelestisUgh

Probably more titans than electronic attack frigates as well.

However, I don't think I have ever seen anyone fly an exequror navy issue as long as the thorax does the exact same thing at a much cheaper price.


I know a man who holds by that ship for his life, X Gallentius. Then again for a gallente militia member, exequror navies cost around 2 isk.

You think thats bad, someone in RvB thought that an Exequror NORMAL version could take on a 100m SP pilot in a Vexor, and I know SP isnt everything but the Exequror is just so terrible it doesnt matter how much skill you have

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-15 10:04:44 UTC
Seems related to a thread "most useless bonuses" or something like tha

So, all the T1 "logi like" ships -
WTF are the combining logi functions with mining functions in the same ship (Osprey, the schrythe, sort of
The exequror? wtf, cargo capacity bonus? so its just a really crappy logi boat, is its niche supposed to be following a fleet into a plex that doesn't allow anything bigger than cruisers - to take loot and give reps
I don't understand what this cargo capacity bonus is supposed to be for..

And of course, the repping capabilities are insufficient to make them useful, maybe if they could fit large reppers/energy transfers

As for the navy issue exequror, I'd rather see it be like a halfway decent logi - but in its current role I will point out that it is significantly faster than a Thorax, its ROF bonus means its 4 turrets are 5.33 "effective turrets" before the 5% damage per level is factored in (but the thorax has this, so they cancel out), and it has the same low and med slot distribution
I'm guessing the lower number of highs makes the fitting about the same
So you get 6.67% more turret DPS, and 78 m/s more speed (45.8% faster) for the loss of about 200 armor, 200 shield, and 200 hull H
... and then its got half the drone bay of the normal exequror

So, yea its pretty bad, but with a bit of an HP+ grid buff, + drone bay buff, I could see it basically being a fast Thorax (though I'd rather see it with a Thorax model, and call it the navy Thorax, and if we must have a Navy exequoror, make it a more effective logi for those that dont yet have Logi skills

Just as the Gallente Navy Tier1 fills basically the same role as the Gallente Tier3, I see that with the IN Augor and the Maller (with the caldari, its more of the tier 2 it overlaps with)

With Tiericide coming, I hope the previous "tier 1" faction ships become significantly better than the "tier 3s" vs just marginally better



But to top the list
Procure
Why would anyone ever fly one of those
Can't wait a couple hours to get a retreiver, despite waiting days to get industry to V?
Want to fly something that gets outmined by a BS or BC, and is easy to gank, and can't do anything else

Drop this ship completely, or make it faster, more agile, smaller sig radius, better tank, and give it launcher hardpoints - something that is half miner, and half combat frig/cruiser
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#26 - 2012-04-15 10:18:22 UTC
The good ship 'Friendship'.


























Haha, no I can't even joke about it, the 'Friendship' is the best ship in the game!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#27 - 2012-04-15 13:15:49 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Quote:
spacelumberjack wrote:

However, I don't think I have ever seen anyone fly an exequror navy issue as long as the thorax does the exact same thing at a much cheaper price.


I know a man who holds by that ship for his life, X Gallentius. Then again for a gallente militia member, exequror navies cost around 2 isk.

20+ kills this month! Gotta use its speed to your advantage - been able to catch a few guys that a Thorax wouldn't be able to chase down. But otherwise yeah it's a glorified Thorax with fewer drones.

The ENI is also an interesting case study for Gallente hulls since most people say that it's lack of speed that hurts the effectiveness of them. If speed is really what Gallente hulls need, and speed is the main advantage of the ENI, then how can it be dysfunctional?
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#28 - 2012-04-15 15:48:56 UTC
Concerning the Exequror, it actually isn't THAT bad. Of course, it's not that good that you would always want to have some with you, but it definately serves as a cheap, solo armor logi. And that's what the (btw enormous) cargo is for: Cap Booster Charges.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-15 15:58:28 UTC
Voith wrote:
The Paladin

Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet.


Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#30 - 2012-04-15 16:48:23 UTC
T1 logis and the lower-tier navy cruisers. The latter especially have sooo much potential. :(


I want an exequror navy issue that can actually out perform a bog standard rupture...

thhief ghabmoef

Temu TheGreat
Roden Laboratories
#31 - 2012-04-15 17:06:57 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Voith wrote:
The Paladin

Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet.


Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem.


????? Please show me a good fit for a paladin that does not struggle with power grid issues... kthnx
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#32 - 2012-04-15 18:12:04 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Voith wrote:
The Paladin

Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet.


Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem.


The Paladin should not be anywhere on this list. It's a superb ship. With that said, it would be nice to be able to fit 4x Tachyon IIs, a LAR II, and a 100mn AB II, without a fitting mod. Cap is not really an issue with this ship.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Alara IonStorm
#33 - 2012-04-15 18:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
If anything makes the Paladin fall flat it's the Web Bonus. You would've thought that they have put in the Apoc's 7.5% Range Bonus.

I mean for 90% of the work it does would be better served by range. Especially when the NPC's it targets EWAR cuts it's range.

Not really dysfunctional but some wasted potential.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#34 - 2012-04-15 18:45:41 UTC
The real dysfunction in the paladin is as follows: It's not developed by Khanid innovations. The Sexy Black and Blue applied onto an apoc hull, combined with incredible capacitor and a HELL of an armor tank and spitting out torps while being unaffected by tracking disruptors would definately be my 'Oh my god it's so god damn awesome i must have it! I MUST HAVE THEM ALL!'
Yeah, I'd totally buy all hulls of it i could afford, just like catching ALL the pikachus in the veridian forest.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-15 21:46:26 UTC
black ops.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

Leto Atraities
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-04-15 21:58:40 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Voith wrote:
The Paladin

Someone tell the people designing ships at CCP that Gallente/Amarr guns use cap and grid. CCP hasn't figured that out yet.


Paladin doesn't have capacitor/grid problem.


The Paladin should not be anywhere on this list. It's a superb ship. With that said, it would be nice to be able to fit 4x Tachyon IIs, a LAR II, and a 100mn AB II, without a fitting mod. Cap is not really an issue with this ship.



PG8 implant. problem solved.

but i must say if you're using a tach setup then there should be no need for an afterburner. makes perfect since to have one with a mega pulse setup though. but that's just me i guess.
Leto Atraities
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-04-15 22:00:05 UTC
oh and procurer. completely worthless other than to make skiffs.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-04-16 00:33:21 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
so what's up with the cerberus? it's like half a drake for double the price...


You sir are wrong. I don't get why everyone hates on the cerb. It really isn't a bad ship you just have to use it properly.

The Eagle on the other hand deserves to be on this list. It's suppose to be a sniping platform which i suppose it is but 200 dps or so with lowish alpha? Not very snipey imo.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Matrix Operator
#39 - 2012-04-16 01:31:15 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
What do you think is the most poorly designed ship that is so dysfunctional and broken that it can't even be fit or used properly?


Legion.
Titans.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2012-04-16 05:57:25 UTC
Matrix Operator wrote:
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
What do you think is the most poorly designed ship that is so dysfunctional and broken that it can't even be fit or used properly?


Legion.
Titans.

Heh, titans. Let me tell you about titans.

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