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[Proposal] CSM Member Real Life Names

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Vampy bat
Prussia Group
#221 - 2012-04-06 17:34:16 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

So with all of this in mind, I believe that the CSM white paper should be amended in such a way that the CSM candidates (and eventual CSM members) real names and countries of origin are not given to the player base as a whole - but strictly to CCP. The real life information of current CSM members is already available, but that's no reason for future members to potentially be put in similar real life situations.

We as a player community have proven that we are not responsible enough, not mature enough, and not sane enough to be trusted with this information and this proposal is meant to help our upcoming CSM candidates - those whose real names aren't known yet. Maybe even people like you.

-Liang


I would agree to this for any other game but EVE being EVE I don't think it would even be in the best interest of the candidates to remain anonymous to the broad community. If that happens we'll be voting for ingame characters and not for real people. For instance I voted for Alex Gianturco for the CSM, but I would never vote for The Mittani.

I mean, I can see a difference and I know others can too. But I also know most can't and that's a shame. And in the end I think that The mittani and really everyone who plays this game have very often contributed to blur the line between ingame character and RL personality and perhaps trying to sharpen and define that more clearly could be helpful. However, to be honest, I think a breathalyser test before any EVE player speaks publicly at a CCP sponsored event could go a long way.
Moe Tard
BLUE Bed and Breakfast
#222 - 2012-04-06 21:25:12 UTC
Not putting one's RL name out there and instead going only by your in-game name is not the same as being anonymous: it's pseudonymity, and it's more than good enough for CSM elections, where one ought to be judged on their EVE-related credentials and good (or bad) name.

If some CSM candidates feel it can help their campaign (and they aren't worried about possible consequences), they should be allowed to reveal their RL name, but surely it shouldn't be an obligation, as it discourages those who want/need to maintain some level of separation between their RL private/work life and EVE hobby from running, and in most cases this information is of no benefit to the voters or the CSM as a whole.

Copypasta from SBOI, because it sums up my thoughts on the matter.
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[...] I don't like much that the CSM members have to divulge their meatspace ID to the whole intarwebs, starting with the rabid EVE fanbase.

My argument is simple, CSM is not a job, you get in the seat on a part-time, extracurricular basis, and on the merits of your in-game persona (in the loosest meaning of in-game, including OOC/meta stuff, obviously).
Furthermore, nobody expects you to shed your in-game affiliations for the duration of your CSM mandate (contrary to what CCP employees are supposed to do).
In short, you're elected as a player and mainly for who you are in (and around) the game.

Thus, I don't see any benefits for the community or for the election process in divulging the CSM candidates/members out of game ID to the general public, and since the potential for trouble is obvious, it is a no-brainer that it should be up to the individual CSM delegates to decide whether they feel comfortable getting out of the closet in that way.

Some may object that the CSM role is a public one, and it is likely that any CSM delegate's face (and other body parts) could end up plastered across the intarwebs as a result of partaking in meetings, fanfest events and other photo shoots or alcohol-fueled embarrassing tapes.
Maybe so, but then again, if all there is to tie to these images is a spacenerd nickname, and one is not a public figure in his/her non-EVE activities, the odds are pretty good some separation can be maintained (if one chooses to).

CCP will still know who CSM delegates are, on account of their filling the plane and hotel tickets reservations, and they can therefore ensure nobody is entering under three different nicknames into the election.

As far as I can tell, the current rule only prevents people who are mildly wary of being stalked and harassed by mouthbreathers over in-game grudges from running for CSM, with no discernable upside for CCP, the CSM delegates or the community at large. [...]


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Don Temujin
Mothers of EVE
#223 - 2012-04-09 12:49:38 UTC
Seconded.
FWIW: compare with many CCP employees keeping their RL names from the public and going by CCP {whatever} instead (at least until they have to give a video interview or FanFest presentation.
It seems clear CCP groks some of their employees prefer to keep some level of privacy (within practical limits), so why not extend the same courtesy to CSM delegates, who may have another primary job and reputation to care about ?

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."                   [H.L. Mencken.]
Nura Taron
Doomheim
#224 - 2012-04-11 01:23:25 UTC
Definitely not the best idea making the CSM's real info public.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#225 - 2012-04-15 20:29:46 UTC
Liang, a well thought out proposition, as always.

/signed

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#226 - 2012-04-16 08:19:22 UTC
I always thought it was a bit weird myself and saw no need for it. We are talking about the internet here. Even CCP covers most employees real identities up with CCP YourNewNameHere. Given, not all of them enjoy that luxury all the time but it is there for a reason.

Not all of us would threaten or harm anyone on the internet for any reason but there are those who do and those who will. The internet is also such a place that it is very easy to be paranoid.

Personally I applaud the CSM for having the balls to stick their names out there. All benefits aside, it's still a risky move. Given the representation the playerbase of EVE provides for itself on more occaisions than not, maybe too risky. Who am I kidding, it's always too risky.

Honestly with the amount of hacking and tracking out there, I don't think hiding your name is enough anymore and I'm near the point where I believe the only thing you can do is unplug from the internet. Seriously, when are they going to get some decent software to protect peoples computers?

Given everything they have and how simple such a task should be, you'd think they'd have done it already. Of course, that would prevent the government and law enforcement from snooping too, and that's probably why they haven't. Microsoft could easily have built this into their operating systems by now if they had wanted to. They haven't of course, because they like looking too.

Err.. that is.. supported. Smile

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