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Skill affects in what order?
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Kalan Valroth
Honey Badger Imports
#1 - 2012-04-15 13:27:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalan Valroth
Is their a priority to how skills are applied to a base value?

Mining drones for example. The Mining Drone skill gives 5% increase yield per level, but Drone Interfacing gives 20% per level. So which is applied first to the base skill?
Vandir Rael
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-15 16:50:29 UTC
Kalan Valroth wrote:
Is their a priority to how skills are applied to a base value?

Mining drones for example. The Mining Drone skill gives 5% increase yield per level, but Drone Interfacing gives 20% per level. So which is applied first to the base skill?

I can guess that both bonuses are based on basic yield of a mining drone...
That means that both increases are a fixed number, no matter which one is applied first Smile
Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-15 17:11:33 UTC
Vandir Rael wrote:
Kalan Valroth wrote:
Is their a priority to how skills are applied to a base value?

Mining drones for example. The Mining Drone skill gives 5% increase yield per level, but Drone Interfacing gives 20% per level. So which is applied first to the base skill?

I can guess that both bonuses are based on basic yield of a mining drone...
That means that both increases are a fixed number, no matter which one is applied first Smile


As far as I can see with other skills/modules the second would include the boost from the first, but since they are both multipliers it doesn't matter since you can arrange multipliers anyway you want without changing the result.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-04-15 17:18:59 UTC
I'm just going to leave this here.....
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2012-04-15 20:04:21 UTC
Kalan Valroth wrote:
Is their a priority to how skills are applied to a base value?

Mining drones for example. The Mining Drone skill gives 5% increase yield per level, but Drone Interfacing gives 20% per level. So which is applied first to the base skill?

Yield Multiplier = (1 + Mining Drones * 5%) * (1 + Drone Interfacing * 20%)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-15 20:48:15 UTC
all bonuses in eve (afaik) do not compound and are applied to the base stat then added.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-04-15 20:53:45 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
all bonuses in eve (afaik) do not compound and are applied to the base stat then added.


That is incorrect. The math on multiple stacking-penalized mods gets harder (and resists are pretty wonky) but most multiplicative bonuses are indeed simply multiplicative.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-16 02:45:51 UTC
yeah youre right, i rechecked it and they do compound. (i rechecked my maths.)
in any case, to answer the op's question, it makes no difference what order you apply the bonuses in.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#9 - 2012-04-16 05:25:15 UTC
With diminishing returns in EVE all you need to remember is that the 4th bonus is usually near worthless amount unless the first 3 bonuses were humongous to begin with.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#10 - 2012-04-16 18:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost Greybeard
Zhilia Mann wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here.....


To be fair, the diminishing returns mechanic could conceivably make the order of certain _modules_ important, since, for example, with a 15% resistance bonus and a 50% resistance bonus:

(1-0.50)*(1-0.15*0.87) is not the same as (1-0.50*0.87)*(1-0.15)

So it's not an entirely stupid question to wonder if the same applies to skills. Though, as far as I know, skill bonuses _are_ simply multiplicative, so the transitive, associative properties apply.


(Actually it's been a while, I forget if diminishing returns actually apply to modules that aren't literally the same item different in meta level at most)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2012-04-16 22:27:18 UTC
The OP question was about skill order. Order doesn't matter.

Also skills are not affected by stacking penalty, only module & rig effects are.